The title of this is misleading. The news sources are known to use false stuff frequently. Further reading should reveal that what this title claims is not the case.

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^^Let's hope Kim Jong Un won't hear that. If he does, he will be very angry with you for questioning his authority. He might send a death squad after you.

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^^Are you sure? A mistake might cost you your life.

Is Moggy circumcized is all I want to know.

Private businesses will request a road is layed down, a construction company will plan with them to lay one down, they pay for it, the road is maintained either by toll booths or the businesses.

You can't handle complex arguments huh? Ok, let me make it real simple for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem

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You can't handle complex arguments huh? Ok, let me make it real simple for you:

"Muh ideaz r complecs cuz i say so!"

Just because you type some bullshit doesn't mean you have rebutted anything. This is one of the easiest ways to debunk your whole ideology. You pretend my question is the strawman 'who will lay pavement' but we both know that's not all that is involved in building roads. The government decides where to build them and how they are paid for. Two things you didn't address.

Two things I addressed in my last reply to you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem

I don't want to live in your society with the vague promise that there will be construction companies capable of building roads. That doesn't guarantee there will be a road in front of my house, nor a road from my house to Canada. Nor does it tell me the cost. Hypothetically speaking all that would exist if everybody in society was willing to pay for roads. In reality there would be a massive free rider problem. Lots of people saying 'I don't want to pay for roads, I never leave my house' or 'I don't want to pay for roads in Arkansas when I live in Alaska' etc. That would result in a lot less money available to pay those private construction companies and it will result in a lot fewer roads.

No one would pay for the roads two former states away; that's completely ridiculous. Especially for folk in Alaska. Now if you need a road built between one town in Alaska and one town in the Yukon, it's a pretty simple and local effort and you can get businesses to fund it because that's more money in the long term because of more commerce. That town in the Yukon can pay for the next road(through private businesses), down to the next town, with tollways being used to maintain the areas of road inbetween.

This shouldn't be a hard concept to get, especially when private roads were being made in the US during the revolution, and thousands of private roads already exist, but it seems like private police, some folk don't see what's right in front of them and pretend like it's fantasy.

No one would pay for the roads two former states away; that's completely ridiculous.

You understand your own ideology so poorly you're forcing me to defend it. You don't know that nobody would pay for those roads, they might.

The problem is they might not. You're pretending that's a good thing but it's a bad thing. There would probably be few roads, because of the free rider problem which you still have not addressed.

I have come to the conclusion that you are a noob anarcho-capitalist who doesn't even understand the basics yet. You should go learn those before trying to argue in favor of the ideology. You might also want to understand the basics before deciding you're an anarcho-capitalists.

You understand your own ideology so poorly you're forcing me to defend it. You don't know that nobody would pay for those roads, they might.

Yeah they might, if they're altruistic, but I wouldn't count on it.

The problem is they might not. You're pretending that's a good thing but it's a bad thing. There would probably be few roads, because of the free rider problem which you still have not addressed.

Businesses would pay for roads, as they need commerce to sustain themselves. The free rider problem isn't really here; the businesses are paying for the roads so folk can come into their area to buy and sell. Maybe in neighborhoods, but of course social pressure can be applied pretty effictively, especially since communities will be more dependent on themselves for certain things.

I have come to the conclusion that you are a noob anarcho-capitalist who doesn't even understand the basics yet. You should go learn those before trying to argue in favor of the ideology. You might also want to understand the basics before deciding you're an anarcho-capitalists.

So because I said that folk are likely not to be so altruistic to pay for random roads in Arkansas, I don't understand my own ideology?

Businesses would pay for roads

I say few roads because of the free rider problem and you repeat: 'roads would exist'

No shit roads would exist. The problem is there would be fewer roads than there are now because of:

The free rider problem

The free rider problem

The free rider problem.

* The free rider problem

The free rider problem

So because I said that folk are likely not to be so altruistic to pay for random roads in Arkansas, I don't understand my own ideology?

No because you don't even know the correct way to answer my objections. We're discussing the most basic argument non-ancaps have and you still dont' know the correct talking points to use in response. I don't think you even know what the free rider problem is.

This is exactly why I started with roads. I wanted to see how well you understand anarcho-capitalism. And you clearly don't know very much. So it would be pointless to talk about the NAP or covenant communities or seasteads or probably even something like Somalia or objective morality. I'd be the one teaching you instead of you being able to address my arguments.

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You repeating the same phrase over and over again doesn't make it more of a thing. The problem for your claim that the free rider theory applies here, is that drivers will also end up paying for roads through tolls. Meaning that there is still money being put in by the so called free riders.

Also, take the public good/free rider model and apply it to real life too; it doesn't exactly fit well.

The local turnpike was supported by the more prominent citizens, but it is not as though a handful of affluent landowners paid for the project. Stock subscription was broad-based, In most cases upwards of 50 people contributed, usually over 100 for a larger turnpike, no one with more than 15 percent of the stock. After the most travelled routes had been converted to turnpikes, it became more difficult to raise money for their construction, but nonetheless turnpikes continued to be built, even though, by 1805, hope of direct remuneration had disappeared. Yet between 1805 and 1838 over 500 turnpikes were chartered and built, each one representing a separate instance of public good provision. Even though the turnpikes offered enormous nonexcludable benefits, far outweighing the costs of the project, a straight application of the simple public-goods model would lead us to doubt that many turnpikes were built and that a single one was built after 1805.[/i]

You clearly do not understand the free rider problem. 'More of a thing' LOL. That's the fundamental reason most people think we need taxation. If you don't understand and can't argue against the free rider problem, you're going to have a hard time advocating for anarcho-capitalism.

"People will pay tolls" is not a valid counter argument.

You're a poser. Actual ancaps would laugh at you and tell you to stop calling yourself an ancap. You're not.

Mmm you're right(not about the poser part), I see what you mean. Anyway, that quote shows that voluntary action can get around the free rider theory, through social pressure.

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You think or are pretending that roads are binary. "Will they exist? Yes/No."

That's not how it works. They have roads in Africa. They're not like the roads in America. Nobody disputes that there will be roads in your society. What we want to know is will they be like the roads in Africa or the roads in America? Nobody can answer that question. They could be either. And that's the problem.

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