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New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 19:48:46


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http://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/12/leaked_hillary_clinton_emails_could_bernie

even Greenwald shared the story on his twitter account https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/786284837602603008 (for those who don't know him. Greenwald was the guy that made Snowden so popular. It was him who famously interviewed Snowden in his hotel in Hong Kong)

The leaks on wikileaks also provided enough information on Goldman Sachs (sponsor of the Democratic Party) and its demands from the party. Also a fundraising document was published today https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3121465-BRL-MEETING-NOTES-COMPILATION.html that backs up the claim of Goldman Sachs' influence within the Democratic party on page 6-7. Appearently House Democrats attempts to reassure donors that Elizabeth Warren does not speak for the party. Another day in corporate America?

Besides,
The chair of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, John Podesta, is accusing Russia of being involved in the hacking of his email account. In recent days, WikiLeaks has published thousands of Podesta’s internal emails.

They've blamed Russia for the leak.... without having any evidence whatsoever...

Edited 10/12/2016 20:01:02
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 19:58:17


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Yep.

It's even shown that Clinton's aides knew that Saudi Arabia and Qatar fund ISIS, but they haven't said anything about it.
And these countries suspiciously have sent large donations to her campaign.

So our most likely 45th president rigged the voting against an opponent, gets most of her campaign money from private individuals and foreign governments, did not tell people that certain countries are funding ISIS, and claims to crack down on Wall Street when she gets millions from them.

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career

Truly the pinnacle of freedom and democracy is the United States.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 20:26:15


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Yea all of this is repugnant. Only thing is, Trump managed to be so offensive that none of this matters anymore. Hillary could hardly do anything bad enough for anyone giving more attention to that than what Trump has said in the past few weeks. Hillary gets one scandal per week, Trump gets several scandals a day, enough to cover any bad stuff that Hillary does.

Hillary will win, and win big. Possibly with 2x or more electoral votes than Trump with more than 350 electoral votes. I'd also say there's a chance for a meltdown of the republican party in the process, which is probably not a bad thing if it breaks the bipartism of the US.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 20:35:55


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^It's Trump's fault that the media deliberately hides Clinton scandals and manufactures Trump scandals? A few examples:

1. DNC emails got hacked and exposed all sorts of horrible corruption. Media shifts attention to alleged Russian hackers that are trying to get Trump elected, so Trump is to blame for the hack and poor Hillary is the victim.

2. Bill Clinton is a rapist and his wife is an enabler who laughed at the rape victim whose rapist she managed to get free. Media labels this a right wing conspiracy, doesn't want to talk about it. But they manufacture a big issue about Trump's locker room talk 10 years ago that didn't get anyone hurt.

But it's all Trump's fault, I guess, and he's being too offensive when calling a rapist a rapist when it's a democratic president.

And talk about the bipartisan system breaking is complete garbage as long as the electoral system stays the same. Trump is a great candidate that for once has a common cause with the grassroots. The media is trying to get the GOP elite and grassroots to fight each other by shedding crocodile tears about the state of the GOP.

Edited 10/12/2016 20:43:55
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 21:04:35


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http://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/12/leaked_hillary_clinton_emails_could_bernie

This unfortunatly came to late I think. But still sad that this is one of the presidential candidates. (and even sadder the other one is so bad that she`ll still win)


It's even shown that Clinton's aides knew that Saudi Arabia and Qatar fund ISIS, but they haven't said anything about it.

All western governments know this. Welcome to the real world, if somebody has enough money or power you`ll keep secrets for them.

gets most of her campaign money from private individuals and foreign governments

So does Trump and most presidential candidates before.

And these countries suspiciously have sent large donations to her campaign.

So did the Netherlands, Australia and Norway.

I'd also say there's a chance for a meltdown of the republican party in the process, which is probably not a bad thing if it breaks the bipartism of the US.

Would probably be one of the best things that could happen to the USA.


Media shifts attention to alleged Russian hackers that are trying to get Trump elected
And why would this not be possible? It would be advantageous for Russia to have Trump be the president rather than Hillary.


so Trump is to blame for the hack and Hillary is the victim

Hillary is the victim of the hack. Whether or not she deserves it is another thing. And I do not think anybody will blame Trump for the hack.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 21:16:03


Des {TJC}
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With Trump calling for Russia to hack her not even what, two months ago? Its kinda not a surprise if anyone blames trump for anything at this point.

The fact that he wants an outside country to involve themselves in our politics is ridiculous.

And if you're just -now- realizing that outside countries are funding ISIS, you're way behind. This shit has been happening since the end of WW2. Just sayin.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 21:27:55


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>implying the CIA isn't funding ISIS

topkeklelmao

also
>caring about the email scandal when Clinton has had dozens of mysterious deaths surrounding her
>shilling this hard
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 21:57:59


Eklipse {TJC}
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The fact that he wants an outside country to involve themselves in our politics is ridiculous.

Outside countries are already involved in our politics. Just ask Hillary's Middle Eastern benefactors.

Yea all of this is repugnant. Only thing is, Trump managed to be so offensive that none of this matters anymore.

Sadly this is the truth. Literally any other Republican would be able to mop the floor with Clinton right now. Best we can hope for at this point is either Clinton getting impeached or someone much better stepping up against her in four years.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 22:17:23


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The fact that he wants an outside country to involve themselves in our politics is ridiculous.

What comes around goes around
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 22:55:19


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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why are there so many people that just assume Hilary will beat Trump?
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 23:03:05


Жұқтыру
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It's Trump's fault that the media deliberately hides Clinton scandals and manufactures Trump scandals?


tsh he didn't say anything at all, he's saying Trump can't be beat in badness but Clinton sure does try.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 23:08:59


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true that paugs
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 23:40:05


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why are there so many people that just assume Hilary will beat Trump?

it's a legitimate question

1) Trump alienates way too much of the electorate for him to realistically win. His main demographics are:

- rich business conservatives (the 1% essentially)
- disenfranchised working class white males
- evangelicals

whereas Clinton's are:

- ethnic minorities
- women
- college educated whites

of course these are just generalisations and stereotypes, but don't act like they have no basis. Hillary simply appeals to a lot more people than Trump does.

2) The polls

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

Fivethirtyeight correctly predicted 99/100 states in the past 2 elections. Nate Silver is pretty reliable.

3) It's rigged, lol

You don't need me to tell you that American politics is absolutely rigged against anybody anti-establishment.

4) The debates

Yeah, Trump's ratings tanked after the debates. Congrats Trump.

Trump created a lot of ads, conspiracies, and has a whole lot of dirt on Clinton, but because of his alienating policies and the political establishment, he just can't win.

At the very least, it obviously isn't ruled by the Jews though; if so, you'd see Bernie Sanders still in the race.

Edited 10/12/2016 23:40:25
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/12/2016 23:53:34


Von Jewburg
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But the strain is showing.

Trump basically turned the Republican Party upside down. Nobody expected it, and he's got a bigger, more vocal following than any other Republican candidate could have mustered. And the "alt-right" alongside many other new Conservatives who don't see eye to eye with the establishment are something big. And Bernie gathered a respectable following, but he was "too big of a threat to the party" so Hillary rigged it.

Whoever wins, both parties will need to realize that they have an ever-growing population dissatisfied with how things have been running, and they need to change or be left behind.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 01:21:58


Des {TJC}
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why are there so many people that just assume Hilary will beat Trump?

Because you can't go out and start calling people of Hispanic ethnicity rapists and murderers.
You can't go out and say what a certain person does in the bathroom is disgusting.
You can't go out and say all blacks live hell.
And many, many more examples, but you can't just go saying that. One of the pollers who was Republican said that there isn't enough "Old white males that believe in the things he does.

On WL it would be like saying all those who like SR deserve the death penalty while all those who like WR will receive 38 virgins for taking in heaven and thats their bag.

Edited 10/13/2016 01:24:08
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 02:10:53


Eklipse {TJC}
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1) Trump alienates way too much of the electorate for him to realistically win. His main demographics are:

- rich business conservatives (the 1% essentially)
- disenfranchised working class white males
- evangelicals

whereas Clinton's are:

- ethnic minorities
- women
- college educated whites

of course these are just generalizations and stereotypes, but don't act like they have no basis. Hillary simply appeals to a lot more people than Trump does.


Women is really the only election killer of that group. College educated whites are statistically unreliable when it comes to voting. Ethnic minorities are increasingly important but it's still possible to when without much support there.

But yeah, Trump already screwed any prayer he has with women, and that's 50% of the electorate. His ship is sunk.

Because you can't go out and start calling people of Hispanic ethnicity rapists and murderers.

When will people stop mis-qouting this? He was talking about illegal immigrants. Are illegal immigrants a race suddenly?

You can't go out and say what a certain person does in the bathroom is disgusting.

Uh. Says who? You absolutely can say, depending on what it is. I'm not sure what you're talking about here though to be honest.

You can't go out and say all blacks live hell.

Unless you're Black Lives Matter or some other individual/group who's been granted permission to exaggerate about racial issues, then it's fine. But don't dare a white person say so.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 03:18:20


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[Censored by Clinton Foundation]

Edited 10/13/2016 03:18:27
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 04:00:20


Жұқтыру
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When will people stop mis-qouting this?


So I looked at the quote.

First, the truth that there is anything misquoted is already something. Next, he did not say the word "illegal immigrant" or "immigrating illegally" at all in that speech. Just "people from Mexico" and he later goes on to say "It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably— probably— from the Middle East." (http://time.com/3923128/donald-trump-announcement-speech/).

Third, the numbers don't stick with him. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/07/16/voices-gomez-undocumented-immigrant-crime-san-francisco-shooting/30159479/; https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/02/surprise-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-immigrants-and-crime/).

Fourth, it seems that this is kind of irrelevant. How about him saying that he's going to shield Christianity, or saying that all the lands that did not side with America in the Cold War were uncivilised?

Trump basically turned the Republican Party upside down.


War/militarism: +
Against inmigration: +
Social: +
Healthcare: +
Environment: +
Capitalism: +

how has he turned anything upside down, this is your normal sleazy bloodthirsty conserve

Edited 10/13/2016 04:00:57
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 04:05:45

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@Eklipse I don't know what's wrong with the black community here these days. However they need to reform (i.e. stop blaming whites and other people, stop attacking anyone physically, etc). America is a land of opportunity, even for blacks (yeah otherwise why do real Africans come here and they own houses!) I wish the best for the poor native blacks. However if the current trend continues and the next major race conflict flares up they will suffer a lot since nobody will help them, not Jews, not white liberals, not Hispanics, not Asians, probably not even West Indian blacks and Africans.

Edited 10/13/2016 04:09:48
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 05:19:48


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how has he turned anything upside down, this is your normal sleazy bloodthirsty conserve


Probably the most important one is trade. Previously Republicans were very much for free trade, whereas trump is constantly bashing it as "taking away jobs".
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 11:15:00


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And why would this not be possible? It would be advantageous for Russia to have Trump be the president rather than Hillary.


It would be advantageous for any country that is not Saudi Arabia or the Islamic State to have Trump be the president rather than Hillary.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 11:45:30


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Where's the smoking gun? Showing quid-pro-quo?

Page 8. General Electric:
"They gave $400,000 to House Dems last cycle, but they are facing headwinds this cycle.
-Issues around Cromnibus, Trade and Medical Device Tax, but are happy w/ Dem Help on Ex-Im
- Upset that SGR fix not totally funded, but Dems want repeal of Medical Device Tax to be fully funded before repealing"
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 12:04:38


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It would be advantageous for any country that is not Saudi Arabia or the Islamic State to have Trump be the president rather than Hillary.


Really? I`d say that most European Countries will not benefit from Trump. I might even say most countries allied with the US won`t have a real advantage if Trump gets ellected.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 12:53:57


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When your allies are actively supporting one candidate and your adversaries are agitating for the other, it's time to take a step back and think about why that might be.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 14:46:26


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Then take a second step back and ask "why are these guys my allies/adversaries again?" and notice something's awfully off.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 15:08:46


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Eh democracies tend to ally each other EU/US while authoritarian regimes like to avoid being too cuzzy with democratic ones (it's a general rule, don't start to give counter examples!). I totally see why Russia would support Trump when it comes to that.

The 20 first economies after the US want to have Hillary as the US president; the only exception is Russia. Electing Trump will not only definetly not make your country great again (his economy policies are nothing but stupid, he defends a police state and not saying the poor example he is to people) but will probably finish the decline of America. Hillary is also a poor choice, but it makes more sense economically, diplomatically and not being a sexual predator-wise. But hey you could have nominated Bernie or Kasich, both reasonable and undoubtfully better than these clowns.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 15:57:32


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The most corrupt politician in history vs the most dangerous psychopath

Never thought I'd say this......I miss 2012

( I honestly hate everything about Bernie Sanders economic plans but I would have voted for him over this clown )

Edited 10/13/2016 16:06:18
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 16:04:08


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I have a really bad feeling Trump might not leave. He will keep coming counting on the idiotic realm of the party to nominate him. If the party doesn't learn from this asshole not to nominate mentally unstable lizards, I'm cutting all ties. I've had it. I'm sick of getting looked down upon by stuck up evangelicals and trying not to strangle the southern rednecks with the IQ of 5.
New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 18:00:46


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Previously Republicans were very much for free trade, whereas trump is constantly bashing it as "taking away jobs".


Were they? You likely know better than me, but it seems like shielded trade is something all conserves like.

It would be advantageous for any country that is not Saudi Arabia or the Islamic State to have Trump be the president rather than Hillary.


Who says even Arabia would mind, just America worsening itself.

However, bigger military is something that many smaller lands will mind much about. I bet all OPEC that is not allied with America really doesn't want Trump.

democracies tend to ally each other EU/US while authoritarian regimes


As they say, evil loves evil. But "democracy" ok.

decline of America


what?

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New Clinton e-mail scandal emerges: 10/13/2016 20:12:47


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Were they? You likely know better than me, but it seems like shielded trade is something all conserves like.


That's pretty much not true. Take for example the vote on NAFTA:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h575

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/s395

In both the house and the senate more democrats voted against NAFTA then for it, whereas over 75% of republicans supported it.
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