Gargamel, Ale and others gaming the coin-system: 2/27/2017 20:41:12 |
master of desaster
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Obviously, if gargamel got 41k coins won, he had to play coingames for twice that amount (because 50% he wins). That means, fizzer gets his 10% out of 82k coins = 82$
Gargamel paid 41$ in and will get 40$ back from the coin leaderboard. Good for him.
But ale and candy caned (23k and 13k points/ 23$ and 13$ fizzer rake), will get only 15$ and 4.75$ back from the coin leaderboard.
It will pay off point-wise for gargamel, as long as his mates are willing to pay that difference. Also, if no mercy gets more points, gargamel will be forced to play more to win his 40$ to even out, which will lead to ale or candy caned to lose even more as well as gargamel losing more than he can win.
In the end, fizzer gets extra 82$ out of that fun.
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Gargamel, Ale and others gaming the coin-system: 2/27/2017 20:58:34 |
Arcarsenal
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I have come to the conclusion that Gargamel is actually a robot, CandyCaned too. ;o;
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Gargamel, Ale and others gaming the coin-system: 2/27/2017 21:10:37 |
krunx
Level 63
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I have come to the conclusion that Gargamel is actually a robot, CandyCaned too. ;o;
I would not be too suprised, if they use a bot to create and surrender these games. Obviously, if gargamel got 41k coins won, he had to play coingames for twice that amount (because 50% he wins). That means, fizzer gets his 10% out of 82k coins = 82$
Gargamel paid 41$ in and will get 40$ back from the coin leaderboard. Good for him.
But ale and candy caned (23k and 13k points/ 23$ and 13$ fizzer rake), will get only 15$ and 4.75$ back from the coin leaderboard.
It will pay off point-wise for gargamel, as long as his mates are willing to pay that difference. Also, if no mercy gets more points, gargamel will be forced to play more to win his 40$ to even out, which will lead to ale or candy caned to lose even more as well as gargamel losing more than he can win.
In the end, fizzer gets extra 82$ out of that fun.
Your calculation is not entirly correct: 20 Coins => 18 Coins won => 40 Coins, 18 coins won each , by investing 20 each => 90 reuse, 10% loss (to input) 11,1... % loss (to output/coins won) 41k coins won => 4555 coins lost => 45,55$ So yeah, Fizzer benefits from this shortterm, if we neglect the demotivation effect on other players.
Edited 2/27/2017 21:12:24
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Gargamel, Ale and others gaming the coin-system: 2/27/2017 21:50:30 |
master of desaster
Level 66
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I care about the coin ladder, that's why i'm discussing here. I find it interesting. I just don't think it's a bad thing because the lottery players get their useless points and fizzer the money It has nothing to do with double standards. Your stalling on the 1vs1 ladder is irrelevant. All i know for sure, is that the coin ladder doesn't measure a players skill. If it was meant to do so, the points gained would consider how many coins you lost during the season, not just what you win (while you don't even win that whole number but just 40% of it best case). If no mercy had a real problem with it, he would have stopped competing on the coin season after the last 2 seasons where gargamel did that. And i can assure you, there will be other coin players if no mercy decides to not play anymore. Also, did you guys see this? https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21958The first coin season gargamel won, he actually gained coins, so he decided to create this with what he won. Gargamel is definitely great for fizzers business. Edit: rak was faster
Edited 2/27/2017 21:53:36
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Gargamel, Ale and others gaming the coin-system: 2/27/2017 22:11:48 |
Zephyrum
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I think the issue is that letting it happens makes Fizzer cheat us out of a feature here. By Gargamel doing this, Fizzer essentially is bailed from paying the prize as Gargamel spends it all out in the process, effectively rendering the coin leaderboard useless.
It's by no means a big problem or a highlighted cheat, but it's an annoyance and it's there. At the end of the day, as long as people who (should) care like Panagiotis, NoMercy and Krzychu don't complain, it's not an issue that needs work on.
Edited 2/27/2017 22:12:33
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Gargamel, Ale and others gaming the coin-system: 2/27/2017 23:12:19 |
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Meanwhile in Seasonal Ladder... https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12720485(Why did I bring the seasonal , You may be asking ) Because nothing will be done about this where it effects more people, So why would Fizzer be all of a sudden willing to help the coin game ladder? Especially when three or four Muppets are willing to pay for "cheating"
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Gargamel, Ale and others gaming the coin-system: 2/27/2017 23:29:46 |
Zephyrum
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I've played coin games for super low payouts like 9/18 often for a while, they do bank in massive exp for winning :P Sadly, I only won like 1 game per season...
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Gargamel, Ale and others gaming the coin-system: 2/28/2017 00:29:00 |
Buns157
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@Platinum https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12889744https://www.warlight.net/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=16379Pana deserves it. On topic: See what fizzer says, if hes cool with it then so be it. Personally I don't care what Gargamel and others are doing, they're doing for xp and giving the coins back in tournaments for the most part. Though I understand some bitterness if someone came 2nd and missed out on $40 or the trophy, if thats what they were aiming for.
Edited 2/28/2017 00:33:09
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