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Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 12:54:42

Emily
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You're heavily (wilfully) misinterpreting that statistic, which is bound to be invalid anyway (most rape statistics are worthless guesswork and I don't like it when people start reciting them as gospel).

But what does rape of men have to do with radical feminism?

I mentioned rape.

You assumed I was only referring to rape of women.

You started (mis)quoting statistics on rape of men, like it was some kind of competition over which gender gets raped more.

What does that have to do with anything? (Not a rhetorical question.)


How am I misinterpreting that statistic? Please educate me. So now that I present you with a statistic, you deny it and say that all statistics are just lies, and can't be believed. And certainly there are difficulties making those statistics if the law in some countries prevents a male rape from being classified as a rape.

It has a clear connection to feminism and radical feminism, as feminism markets itself as being an egalitarian movement, striving for equal treatment for both genders. Thus, they get many egalitarians to support and vote for them without really deserving that support. Their complete ignorance of these issues perpetuates their existence. You can see what radical feminists (i.e. today's mainstream feminists) think about male rape in the clips I gave you, or in the link I gave in the starting post already:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1xi1fd/a_woman_against_feminists_a_repost_since_two/

I assumed that you talk only about female rape as a real issue, as you explicitly said that only female genital mutilation is a "real" problem, and due to the fact that raping of men and boys gets no mainstream media attention whatsoever. I asked you to correct me if I'm wrong, and it took you many posts to do that. Maybe you just changed your mind?

I was simply referring to the fact that boys and men are being raped just as often as girls and women, and that despite this being a huge problem, it receives no attention in the public life. It's like it didn't exist.

I never said a single thing about Gandhi. I looked up him and MLK on the old wiki because I wanted to check something. Found a couple of interesting things. As for Mandela, it is absurd for you to group him with Gandhi and MLK who were staunch pacifists for religious reasons, while Mandela was a terrorist at one point and used all means necessary. You also posited a dichotomy between him and the very people who influenced him.

I never said they were pussies. I said you were. Is the word bothering you? I was only using it ironically. Maybe you would prefer 'spineless'?


You said that criticizing radical feminism is like choosing MLK over Malcolm X and Mandela over Castro, i.e. basically being spineless/a pussy. So if MLK and Mandela are the spineless choice because they weren't as radical as Malcolm X or Castro (or Stalin), that implies that what MLK and Mandela did was more or less spineless, doesn't it? Certainly, your comment makes it apparent that you value Malcolm X's and Castro's work more that the others'. I simply pointed out that I find this evaluation peculiar.

Also, you use the word "influenced" very liberally. In your logic, you could claim that every person who thinks that male genital mutilation is bad, is being "influenced" by Ron Paul. Thus, they all must be libertarians too. This is not the reality, however. That Mandela considered using terrorist tactics in some part of his life (though avoiding unnecessary casualties) is something completely other than what Stalin did when in power. There were no "Great Purges" in South Africa when Mandela was president, or were there?
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 13:01:04


Taishō 
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I think a number of recent posts have mentioned (true or not) personal information about another person or themselves to boost their arguments.


Using examples gained from your personal experiences is not wrong. Whether they're true of not is up for you to decide, but they provide useful insight. I'm sorry if it makes you uncomfortable, but then maybe you should stay out of the debate?

Also, X is technically the only one who's using ad hominen, but he generally does that from what I've seen, it's just part of his competitive personality.

X comes off as being a masochist, who wants to be punished, though I'm not sure why or to what end.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 13:47:56


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dead piggy says you are all too stupid and this thread is beneath me.

i do still look forward to reading about how circumcision and rape of men are related to to radical feminism.


...because I obviously should suffer for something my forefathers MAY have done, obviously.

Punishing the current generation for the crimes of the last generation breeds contempt in the next generation. It's a vicious cycle and your suggestion for the way things should be done is a great way to keep it fueled.



King advocated a fixed fund of $50 billion to help blacks as well as other disadvantaged races in schooling and the like. This program should last for 10 years, not for an eternity. I find it very reasonable.


maybe you two could fight while i just watch?
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 14:00:00

Emily
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I'm still waiting for you to confess that Karen is a wonderful person and you were wrong all along. But I guess that will never happen :D

It's very reasonable to make a fund to educate people that have potential but lack the means for education. What does that have to do with women? 2/3 of university graduates are female. Maybe we should establish a large fund to help boys and men in schooling and education ;D

Helping people like that is not punishing anybody...
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 14:09:33

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Oh and by the way, here's another interesting video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2p1OvGhyFw
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 14:17:42


Addy the Dog 
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How am I misinterpreting that statistic? Please educate me.

I was simply referring to the fact that boys and men are being raped just as often as girls and women


Just to save people from watching the video themselves - the statistic only referred to 'intimate partner rape'.

Who the fuck is karen? your nom de cunt is emily, stupid.

Edited 2/14/2014 14:18:27
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 14:19:47


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I disagree, she finds it reasonable. There may be a debate there, but the only change I would ask for in such a case of compensation is that fund be extended to all underprivileged children. Every great nation has been built on the backs of the poorest, be they slaves or working class, minorities or not. In my opinion we all suffer, you can either wear your suffering as rags or armor.

Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King were all great men. They all made mistakes and they all did and supported things that I don't necessarily agree with, but they were still great men.

X, you're still a great player and it's fun to talk/debate/argue with you, so don't take any of this as a personal attack on you (even the masochist comment was poking fun, I don't actually think you are one...).

Emily, I agree with you on radical feminism for the most part. Truth is, I still don't know where I stand because I'm torn between the belief in social responsibility and individual liberty and I don't know where to draw the line on the two, not yet anyways.

5 - no one called the internet police, go back to your virtual donuts and cyber coffee.

Lawlz - Way to read between the lines ;)

Edited 2/14/2014 14:41:19
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 14:28:31

Emily
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Who the fuck is karen? your nom de cunt is emily, stupid.


Karen? I guess she must be a man in drag. Everything else is impossible. Like a turkey voting for Christmas.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 14:42:26

Emily
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But Zap, you're certainly a nice guy even though we differ in opinion. It's difficult to understand what the other is saying if one hasn't had similar life experiences.

@Hauptmann: I think there are situations where social responsibility trumps individual liberty and vice versa. It's not always straightforward to draw the line. To a limit, past evils can be compensated in my opinion. In the MLK proposal, this compensation even seems to go hand in hand with the common good, as more educated people enter the workforce. With women, I don't see any need for compensation. Women are better educated, live longer etc. so it doesn't seem like we need any help to get to men's level.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 16:00:00


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But Zap, you're certainly a nice guy even though we differ in opinion. It's difficult to understand what the other is saying if one hasn't had similar life experiences.


X, you're still a great player and it's fun to talk/debate/argue with you, so don't take any of this as a personal attack on you


Oh my, how polite and diplomatic! You can both fuck off. Like I said at the beginning, you repulse me. And I wasn't debating either of you. Emanly was having a one-sided argument with itself and still lost somehow.

Most of your "debate" centred on a two-line post where I was obviously being intentionally incendiary and contrarian. And yet Emanly still contrived to misrepresent what I said.

That pitiful creature lawlz is a better "debater" than either of you. Emily in particular is so incapable of logical reasoning that I'm almost tempted to believe he is female.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 16:04:30


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Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 16:28:42


Taishō 
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Temper, temper.

Calm down X, hypocrisy doesn't become you.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 16:58:26

Emily
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Emily in particular is so incapable of logical reasoning that I'm almost tempted to believe he is female.


AHHAHAAHAAAAAAA this is the funniest thing you have said in a long time! And it is, in a nutshell, what you have tried to tell me the whole time, right?

"Oh god, you're only a poor woman! You're an illogical creature that cannot think for herself. So what can you do? Oh yes, you can support feminism! Feminism will compensate for your lack of intellect. You have a right to be furious for being stupid."
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 18:19:38


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tl;dr - not sure who is trolling who, but x should be changing his nickname to charlie sheen any moment now.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/14/2014 23:46:30


Daisuke Jigen
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This is certainly not me. My writing style is far too wooden. As for my views, regarding feminism, egalitarianism and Zap:

Females should all be enslaved in the name of procreation. Also to be used as some release of tension from the important business of superior males.

Equality? Pah! The female praying mantis does not hesitate to devour her mate after having her eggs fertilised. Consider women as utilities available to us, in the way that a female mantis disregards the male's rights and goes by her own moral and logical code.

Zap is playing another role in the animal kingdom. The male angler fish. Sometimes as much as 1000 times smaller than his female counterpart, he gazes up in awe and reverence. You're a special being in yourself, Zapedy doo dah. Don't discount your own worth.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/15/2014 00:19:59


UnlimitedLawlz
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Awww that's cute, master L. Slavery, BAH! That's so tame...
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/15/2014 01:29:27


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Zapper the Fapper asked: "What to do? A girl is bullying me!" Master Pig replied: "How about a nice big cup of shut the f*ck up?" And Zapper the Fapper's enlightened mouth was shut.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/15/2014 12:40:12

Emily
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By the way, Zap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sns4Dhuw7Nk

11:25: "According to the CDC's [Central for Disease Control, US] most recent national intimate partner and sexual violence survey, 40% of the people who perpetrated forced sexual intercourse on another person in the previous year, were women."

12:30: "She found that men were more likely to have been forced into sexual intercourse by their female partners than the other way around."

Like I said, men are being raped just as often as women. Are you now ready to admit that she is a wonderful person and that you were wrong all the way? :)
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/16/2014 00:02:42


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I'm getting tired of X picking on me for this haha xD

Edited 3/1/2014 23:09:02
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2/17/2014 01:07:57

Emily
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@Hauptmann: Sure :)

@Zap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7KZfsCi5iA&feature=c4-overview&list=UUcmnLu5cGUGeLy744WS-fsg

1:55 - 2:15: Sounds familiar, doesn't it? ;)
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