WM


sure, you played well. I was only pointing out that u had 19 armies on turn 17 near to the acces to england defending the Oldenburg bonus. i' d retreat from there.
Sure, the pink guy spreaded forces in france instead than going to break spain, after using a lot of them in the north.
( we are not talking about noobs that pick transilvania without checking teammates ....)

I dont like ur team specific territory choice too (if i was you, i 'd go for brandeburg instead sachsen.

About green, i think that's better to go for Ukraine from that spot. Better bonus and
you can challenge sweden while you try to get the Commonwealth bonus.

About zones : Italy is fine as backup but's not that important, because, from there, you are far away from the big bonuses.

From benelux to pomerania is what I called germany.

Dont understimate Sweden+finland. If u can get rid of enemy fast, or if they dont put some armies in norway, it's a strong big bonus ( and i think it 's much more defendable than austria). Osterbotten and Vyborg are natural counterpick to the surrounding bonus.


kingdom of morocco is wonderfull against noob trying to take spain (Lol).


@ Guillame

without big bonuses it's not the same map. The concept changes a lot


i know, i know, my english is really terrible, sorry guys

i dont think italy should be picked exclusively but there are good bonuses around there + access to austria and luxemberg/germany.

sweden isnt bad to take but it definitely isnt a starting place.

i also think germany and england shouldnt be grouped together and i think they are each more important than you do. you focus on the metabonuses which can easily be broken by an opponent who gets a good start on the 1s and 2s.

your english is as good as most people who speak it as a first language.

finland is not bad and can fight norway/denmark, especially if somebody from ur team is in england/scotland. Maybe I overstimated it, when the playing level is higher.

italy is good as backup but after swiss there is wurtenburg (the red +3 bonus...) or france or venice (nothin i would like to conquer). Good think of germany is that allows you to expand into big bonuses (denmark / england especially). Italy dosnt allow this.

- E and G shouldnt be grouped togheter-

I think they are good the same. Not as denmark (maybe more than sweden).


I focused on metabonus / zone because a lot of mediocre player use to start with all their territory in a certain bonus (and i choose always Team B... so they are my teammates). And when they pick Portugal+spain or russia or france or transilvania or in the middle of ottoman empire... my team lose or is in trouble.
I 'd really like guys who picks all in a good zone than in a bad zone.
Sure, maybe the other team can play better or use more raffinate pickin strategy.
But, at least, we wont start with handicap or unchallenged good zone.

[ I love talkin about strategy... wonder why there aren't more strategic topics).

you shouldnt be able to expand into denmark or england. if your team didnt start there, the other team will have, and germany will be crushed by them most likely. with italy you are right, you cannot take venice, southern italy, wurtenberg. whats good about italy is that you can fight rather than expand from it.

sure, you need 2 player between england finland germany and denmark zone. Or at least only denmark (or scotland). Otherwise there are few chance to win.

Here is the link game
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2096735
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2097343

the second game is terrible. (not your part).

after a lot of playing on this map .....


1- finland is wayyyy good. It controls 4 bonuses, beat norway, can be taken with only 3 picks, is easy to defend and difficult to conquer when u are spreaded all along. Doesnt win games but help a lot in not losing.

2- Ukraine is key. You can take it from russia or from austria overwelming your enemy with 2 big bonuses at time

3- german is good but underrated. Doesnt win games but help a lot in not losing.

4- norway is fast but gives little vantage and isnt easy to defend from england/finland. Even germany can be problematic....

5- italy + spain isnt bad. It's one of the best way to stop austria which

6- austria can be taken in 3 turns (+5 first. Probably the fastest big "big bonus". Very valuable.

7- russia is difficult. Central part is terrible....

8- egypt, turkey, all north russia, moldavia, all in western spain are terrible-bad-quite bad-meh-not so good.


In a 3 player match i 'll choose :

1- scotland
2-finland
3-austria

I always win as Russia, so i say Russia is the best place.

where u start ? cause south russia is good but i preffer go khanate and transilvania from there.

North russia isnt so hot cause its weak against sweden and there s norway too.

big problem u need some turns to get the central part....

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2506368

im trying to abuse the "3 territory +2 income" bonus (as brandeburg and scotland).

they quite good.

here i won 2vs1 : http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=3043165

yes, orange strategy was ugly.... still 2vs1

here i could hold for 11 turns both opponents (infact after 11 turn, my income and their combined income was the same, 12)
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=3044632

here i could slow 2 guy and help my teammate lala but you can't trust a REGL so we lost in the end. still the little bonus rocked
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=3044744


i was kiddin about regl, huh

You need about 10 turns to take Russia, but when you do,nothing can stop you.

I ussually go in this order with five picks

2 in ireland
1 in scotland
1 in iceland
1 southern england to trap anyone who picked ib england so they surrender quickly which usually works

Hmm... I like this thread. Never been that good on Europe 1600 but I know at least the basics.

@Paul: Not True. Russia may be a big force to contend with ONCE YOU HAVE IT but if your estimation is correct- which varies greatly on a.) the luck you have in taking territories or b.) the luck in general (changed from the default 75% to whatever)- then a lot can happen in 10 turns. Your teammates might be pushed to the brink of elimination. There might be even a bigger player (in Sweden/Norway) that might have the decency to at least let you take Russia but they can crush you easily because of their large income early on that you did not have previously.

And that's even assuming they let you take Russia. I for one believe in having a small outpost in Russia just in case someone tries to take it. I think it would have been a more excellent starting position had Central/North Russia been downsized into smaller, more easier to take bonuses.

But usually, the way I see it is that 75% Russia wins becuase of
A.) The person in Sweden/Finland has to contend with competition in the North
B.) North is divided between two teammates, therefore there is less income per player
C.) No one simply expects giù coming. Russia looks impossible to take for some players (I have found through excessive team chat and experience) and when they do find out it is too late.
D.) Probably the biggest reason- Person in North (Sweden/Norway) DOES NOT EXPAND EFFICIENTLY. Many players refuse to expand into Sweden becuase it is inefficient to take. Likewise so is Russia, but I think for its bonus, Sweden could have been more efficient to take over.

@Hellbender: Ireland is not an ideal place to start. The territory that is part of England that connects to Ireland (I forgot its name) can connect to All three of Ireland's territories. Judging from your picks I would say you would be going there, and Ireland is massively hard to defend because of the fact that it connects to two of the most common territories on the map - Scotland and England. Scotland is a good choice, especially the top territory that connects it with Norway/Iceland. As for the territory in Southern England---why? It is not anywhere remotely useful, and maybe there might be no one in England, which would make that territory useless to have. Better start in Northern England so that if there is no one in England/Scotland you can take it more efficiently.

With your picks I'd expect you to be playing scout though...

In a 3v3, each player with 4, i like the following:
Each Player puts as their number 1: Iceland, North Scotland (the Highlands?) and NW Ireland (Connagut?).

The player with Iceland then spreads two picks throughthe rest of denmark, ideally spread very far out. Finally, a Counter Pick in Center (Italy is good, as well as Germany)

The Player with Scotland also picks South Scotland and South England and a center counter pick. Giving quick access to the Scotland +2 bonus and allowing England to be filled quickly.

The Player in Ireland puts 2 in South Russia and 1 in North Russia bordering Denmark.

Here, you have 3 players in the important area... England/Denmark. The Russia Player will fill out Ireland and South Russia quickly, and being spread North/South in Russia, can fill that out fairly quickly. What's key about ireland is that it gives the russia guy a protected bonus and it doesn't interfere with the england super bonus.

The England/Denmark Players can keep their counter picks still in the center untill they secure their main bonuses.

my picks rely heavily on luck my secondary picks are usually in Spain and a bonus or two in broken Germany but Ireland is a good bonus to start with because its easy to get and one i control it if there is someone in England i have that game opening bonus of one extra army that can mean everything to win the match. Also if your lucky there's nobody there and you can take the entire bonus i also usually get one of my team mates to take over Norway in his picks so i am safe in the north and he is safe in the south.
that is my strategy because it is then easy to take over France and German kingdoms along with eventually Austria.

see here is the deployment of my strategy

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=3628492

We could all learn so much from you, Hell bender.