30% I think. The wider the better imo (to a point).

Look at his balls in realtime ladder. HE was 1400, now he is 1900. Past lost count A LOT less than new wins.
Considering no expire, after some months (2,3?) we will all have variation low (under 80) , nobody gain nothnig to stall, nobody can make run and jump 1st. Only skill will help you to do well.

What will be his rating if in he wins next 45 out of 50 games?
And what it would be if he wins next 45 out of 50 games with new account? We can only specalute without exact formulas or simulation, but is surely be higer in second case.
So 'no-expire' is invitation to make ladder a 'alt-arena'.

Considering that you will have to play with player with yuor similar skill, i say is not possible win more than 80% in long run.
However you may be right. But is Always better this system than the 1v1 ladder system.

Alt is Always a problem anyway. And the system we use atm is worse about alt. :)

@Krzychu. NO. We expect a FAIR ladder

You have played 300 ladder games during last two years. Imagine now you become the best player in the world. You win all your games in the next 6 months(75, assuming similar pace). But well - you are ranked 10th, because there are few slyboots, they've created new accounts and won 35out of 40. That's fair?

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no way you win 30 out 40 and you are 1st.
You need to play at least 70 games for have a varation low enough for be 1st.
Consider that in 1v1 ladder more player will join than rt ladder.
however, you rather keep the system we have atm in 1v1 ladder???

Edited 8/29/2014 12:06:33

@Gnuff

And the system we use atm is worse about alt. :)

[Argumentum ad personam mode on]That's why you have 3 accounts in RT ladder, but 2 with worse record are abandoned:P[Argumentum ad personam mode off]
More seriously: yes, it is, nobody claim it's good, but simple switch from bELO to TS isn't good solution


And can you explain me how to calculate variation for X games ?

Edited 8/29/2014 12:10:57

As I said before, not Hennns, I think that chess ELO could be a solution. The problems of a dynamic rating would dissapear too.
With chess elo if you want to go up in the ladder you need to win against higher oponents. Even if you are matched with players with less level, the rating variations are ridiculous when you win, so you NEED to win against the good ones, no lucky strikes to avoid top players can make you nº1. Stalling would be meaningless too because the rating variation is determined by the elo at the start of the game so you will lose the exact same amount of rating losing in 1 day or 2 month later, not taking into account your rating variation in other games.
One game can only modify your rating, at most, the same as K value (usually 15), so a lucky win against a top player isn't enough. Same for loses, if you have a bad day against a bad player that doesn't mean you will drop lots of position from the ladder. Only one game has little impact.

Sorry Memele I don't know why I called you Hennns :/

I agree totally.

is already a while since the creation of this thread. When Fizzer you will make the polls? :)

^^^I was just about to say that

What Lawlz said.

Soon, I will create a poll so that ladder-eligible players can vote on changes they'd like to see made to the 1v1, 2v2, seasonal and RT ladders.

do not make us wait so long =) we are all excited to vote the polls and play the new ladders!

I haven't forgotten about this! I just have a couple things I have to finish up first. It should be within a day or two.

Awesome! 3v3 ladder please! Fairer rating on the ladders please! This is directed at voters not Fizzer :D

*Checks the date every minute*

3 vs 3 Europe Ladder

2 vs 2 Ladder: Change the current map by anything else please.