i decline 2v2 for clear menu games bc TWL is inactive anyway, so 2v2 can't start anyway. i agree in all your point. and if template get picked by vote from partecipants is much better.

I figured out why you declined. Glad you agree with my points Gnuffone.

Where is Timinator? We didn't even joined the games because of him. Anybody has news about him? I hope he didn't end like Dr.Type..

There is no information about inactivity on his profile. I invited him to a game few days ago, still no response. I told him he have time till tomorrow, I will create new tournament if he won't join by then. Today I will make one for group K. (1vs1 RR with 3 players, no reserve this time, since that would be unfair: rules should stay the same during one round)

I am okay if widzisz being host, despite him participating, if nobody else volunteers to do it instead.
His arguments were are all reasonable and i believe the league will be in good hands with him.

Thanks myhandisonfire, I really appreciate your support. Point is, if I participate I can't pick templates myself obviously. And I do think this season host should pick the templates (hopefully not shitty ones). Next round we have 8 players, so voting doesn't make much sense I think, and I have no templates prepared for voting right now anyway.
If no one volunteers till Sunday (02.06) I will pick templates myself, and maybe retreat from the league.

ok. I think is better play commmon tempalte and don't do like sze with this strange tempalte

Group K 1vs1 RR redone:
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=4932

Only change is Vardar Valley is 0 not 6. It was Carl's mistake, but it shouldn't matter.
Please, join fast.
(btw, you can now freely decline all 2vs2 games / 1vs1 tournament made by Carl)
As said previously, tomorrow about same time I will create one for Group I, if Timinator won't say anything.

ok. I think is better play commmon tempalte and don't do like sze with this strange tempalte

New template mean everyone is in the same situation, whereas choosing i.e. template from CLOT 1vs1 Greece ladder mean some guys have much more experience, right Gnuffone? :P
But I haven't really decided about this yet.

nope the point is that if you put new stting, no one will join asap, and all will try to practice with new setting for a lot of time, this is bad.

Yes, but if we agree to do like I said in my post (26.05) in the section about deadlines, they will have 3 days to join, later they will get negative points.
I would like this rule apply since next (3rd) round.

Anyway, tournament had one mistake, here is good link:

Group K 1vs1 RR redone:
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=4934

One issue I would like to discuss: vacations. I have no idea what to do about them. Not sure how it should affect join deadline and stuff. Waiting to hear your opinions guys.

Fortunately Timinator joined games and tournament made by Carl, no need to make a new one.

All he needed was a swift kick in the butt.

Frank took a kick in his own butt aswell :P

Could you make a new update widzisz maybe?

Sure I can maybe.
Update.

Group I: In progress, guess it will take a while.
Place  |  Player           		| Wins  |  Losses 
  1-3  | Luxis • apex		  	|   1   |    1
  1-3  | JUPITER ♦ ReLite ♦ 		|   1   |    1
  1-3  | [WM] Anonymous          	|   1   |    1
   4   | Timinator              	|   0   |    0

Group J: FINISHED
Place  |  Player           		| Wins  |  Losses 
   1   | dreuj		  		|   2   |    0
   2   | [WG] dodo comander 		|   1   |    1
   3   | [WG] Warlightvet          	|   0   |    2

Dreuj and [WG] Dodo comander advance.

Group K: FINISHED
Place  |  Player           		| Wins  |  Losses 
   1   | fatality		  	|   2   |    0
   2   | [WM] Gnuffone 			|   1   |    1
   3   | lobstrosity          		|   0   |    2

Fatality and [WM] Gnuffone advance.

Group L: FINISHED
Place  |  Player           		| Wins  |  Losses 
   1   | Widzisz • apex		  	|   5   |    1
   2   | myhandisonfire 		|   4   |    2
   3   | Frankdeslimste • apex          |   2   |    4
   4   | [WM] Featherbucket             |   1   |    5

Widzisz • apex and myhandisonfire advance.

this shit haven't end it yet well now i'm really glad.

Update. (I will try to make at least 1 per week from now on)

In the only ongoing group I, Luxis • apex went on vacation, and was booted in all 2vs2 games. Since others players decided to vote to end, the group will be decided only by 1vs1 scores.

There was little feedback on the issues I mentioned earlier, guess I will just decide on my own.

This time the templates for next round are going to be discussed by 8 people advancing.
In case of lack of agreement, we will either use 1vs1 Strategic and 2vs2 Strategic templates OR I will retreat from the league and simply pick the templates by myself.

Some changes in next (3rd) round: (almost like I described at page 6)

• Joining deadlines. 3 days to join tournaments and 2vs2 games after I create them (I will announce it earlier). Each day late mean -1 point, player is removed from the league if he is 3 days late, and someone from reserve take his place.

• Reserve. Right now it means first opportunity get [WG] Warlightvet, lobstrosity, Frankdeslimste • apex and the player that end up being 3rd in group I. First come first served. If none of them is willing to, [WM] Featherbucket and 4th from group I get the chance and so on. Reserve players would have to join in 2 days after being invited.

• Vacations. Well, obviously Sze's initial idea of this league being quick and moving fast has failed miserably. That's why from round 3 onward vacations are going to be honored. Sorry for that.

Also, I won't participate in next season, will try to do my best as a host though.

from round 3 onward vacations are going to be honored

I assume you mean not honoured?

I assume you mean not honoured?

No. Vacations were not honored in this season, and it spoiled the fun for few groups. (i.e. Chaos and Niko in 1st round, and now Luxis). Szeweningen decided to not honor vacation to make this thing advance fast, but given the pace of some players, it won't advance fast anyway ;)
No need to hurry anyway. And vacations not honored only annoy people.

Good job widzisz :)
only one question.

This time the templates for next round are going to be discussed by 8 people advancing.
In case of lack of agreement, we will either use 1vs1 Strategic and 2vs2 Strategic templates OR I will retreat from the league and simply pick the templates by myself.

about Agreement, you think 4/8 is enough for pick a template?
i mean if 4 player agree for a template.

Update.

Group I: Still in progress. Two games left.

|Place  |  Player           		| Wins  |Losses | 
|   1   | Timinator              	|   1   |   0   |
|  2-3  | Luxis • apex		  	|   1   |   1   |
|  2-3  | [WM] Anonymous          	|   1   |   1   |
|   4   | JUPITER ♦ ReLite ♦ 		|   1   |   2   |

Unfortunately Luxis is still on vacation. Hope he will make it before the boot time.

Other groups finished, results were already given on previous page.

[WM] Gnuffone: I'm not sure yet. I was thinking about minimum 6 players. We will see I guess.

In the meantime, I think this thing need some stats to be more interesting.
So, for all math-lovers:

FIRST ROUND OF FIRST CHAMPIONS LEAGUE SUMMARY:

Group A									|  Boot points	|	
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	[WM] Gnuffone      		|   2	|   5	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   2	|
|  2  |	[WG] dodo comander 		|   3	|   3	|   1	|   2	|   1	|   2	|
|  3  |	Niko              		|   3	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   3	|   0	|	booted in all 2vs2	
|  4  |	13Chris37         		|   1	|   2	|   0	|   2	|   1	|   2	|
									
Group B									|  Boot points	|	
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	[WG] Warlightvet   		|   3	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   1	|   0	|	booted in 2vs2	
|  2  |	lobstrosity       		|   2	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   1	|
|  3  |	Tigger				|   1	|   3	|   1	|   2	|   0	|   1	|
|  4  |	♦CPU♦ Clifford The Big Red Dog	|   3	|   1	|   1	|   0	|   1	|   0	|

Group C									|  Boot points	|	
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	TheWarlightMaster 		|   3	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   0	|
|  2  |	dreuj             		|   2	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   1	|
|  3  |	[WG] Summer            		|   3	|   3	|   1	|   2	|   0	|   1	|
|  4  |	dunga • apex             	|   1	|   1	|   1	|   0	|   2	|   0	|	booted in two 1vs1(one losing slightly)	
									
Group D									|  Boot points	|	
Rank	Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	Yoshi             		|   2	|   6	|   3	|   3	|   0	|   2	|	
|  2  |	[WM] Anonymous              	|   3	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   1	|   0	|	booted in 1vs1	
|  3  |	Heyheuhei         		|   1	|   2	|   1	|   1	|   1	|   0	|	booted in 1vs1	
|  4  |	NoobSchool (AHoL) • apex	|   3	|   1	|   0	|   1	|   0	|   0	|	
									
Group E									|  Boot points	|	
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	Luxis • apex             	|   1	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   0	|
|  2  |	Frankdeslimste • apex    	|   2	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   0	|
|  3  |	[WG] Ineffable			|   3	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   1	|
|  4  |	MilitaryManiac (AHoL)    	|   3	|   0	|   0	|   0	|   1	|   0	|	booted in 1vs1	
									
Group F									|  Boot points	|
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	JUPITER ♦ ReLite ♦  		|   3	|   5	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   5	|
|  2  |	myhandisonfire			|   1	|   3	|   1	|   2	|   3	|   3	|	booted in two 1vs1 	
|  3  |	[WM] Roo     			|   3	|   3	|   1	|   2	|   3	|   3	|	booted in two 1vs1	
|  4  |	[中国阳朔] Chaos             	|   2	|   1	|   1	|   0	|   5	|   1	|	booted in two 1vs1, in all 2vs2	

Group G									|  Boot points	|
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	Widzisz • apex    		|   2	|   5	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   3	|
|  2  |	Timinator         		|   1	|   3	|   1	|   2	|   2	|   2	|	booted in 1vs1	
|  3  |	JSA				|   3	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   4	|   1	|	booted in 1vs1, in 2vs2, surr. other 2vs2	
|  4  |	Aranka's Boobs • apex		|   3	|   2	|   0	|   2	|   1	|   2	|

Group H									|  Boot points	|
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	[WM] Featherbucket     		|   2	|   4	|   1	|   3	|   1	|   0	|	booted in 1vs1(was winning)
|  2  |	fatality			|   1	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   0	|   0	|
|  3  |	[WM]Falker            		|   3	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   0	|   1	|
|  4  |	brisk • apex             	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   1	|   0	|   0	|

We had total of 24 boot-games (10 2vs2 and 14 1vs1), out of 72. That gives 1 boot for each 3 games on average.
Majority of boots occurred right at the beginning of the game, but not everywhere.
Almost all games where quite even before the boot, there is a comment in () in other case.
Golden boot award goes to group F! Congrats guys! I hope no one will repeat your accomplishment!

Now, time for a bit more interesting stats! (Boot-games are counted as normal games)

Advancing to round 2:
	4/8 	players from Tier 1
	7/8 	players from Tier 2
	5/16	players from Tier 3

Tier 2 did surprisingly well, while Tier 1 was lazy. Next season you start as Tier 3 :>

Tier points:
	Tier 1	21/48	average  2,625  points
	Tier 2	33/48	average	 4,125  points
	Tier 3	42/96	average	 2,625  points

This is interesting. It might be caused by boots I guess, but the difference is still significant.
And Tier 1 having on average same amount of points as Tier 3... shame on you, Tier 1, shame on you.

Tier vs points:						
		0	1	2	3	4	5	6
Tier 1		0	1	2	4	1	0	0
Tier 2		0	1	0	0	4	2	1
Tier 3		1	2	4	5	3	1	0

This one is even more surprising. Had to check it twice. Only ONE of tier 1 get 4 points and none get more...

Advancing to next round vs points:
		0	1	2	3	4	5	6
Advancing	0	0	0	5	7	3	1
Not advancing	1	4	6	4	1	0	0

At least 3 points are needed to pass, but it appears even 4 are not enough, if you are unlucky.
Again congrats to Yoshi for getting all 6 points, pity he refused to play in round 2.

What you think about these results?
Anything particularly surprising?
Why Tier 1 seems so bad compared to Tier 2?
Post if you find some other interesting comparison.

Even to someone who wasn't involved in it, those stats were great, Widzisz!

My explanation why tie 2 did better than tie 1:
-all players in the tie 1 are very experienced in their final stage of their career on warlight, with little motivation and some perhaps overvalued compared to tie 2.
-almost all player of tie 2 are in their early career best of warlight, with a lot of motivation to win and try their best.
- sze wrong sth with tie, and before he gone when i speak with him he agree with me, and he say that if he could redo, he exchanged some tie 1 with some tie 2.
-4/8 tie 1 get booted in at least 1 game.
-lately some tie 1 didn't do so good like in the past.

My translation of Gnuffone's explanation:
- some players in tier 1 either don't really care and were grandfathered into tier 1
- players in tier 2 care more or are simply better at 1v1 AND 2v2 games on different maps
- I, Gnuffone, belong in tier 1. I talked to Sze about this dishonorable treachery. He finally relented and said to me, "Yes, Gnuffone, I knight thee, Legend of Warlight. Go forth and spread the good word." By the way, others in tier 2 might also belong in tier 1, but the main point of contention is recognizing my brilliance, since I am the Successor to Sze, the Chosen One.
- [Google translate has malfunctioned.]
- redundant: see the first point about caring and motivation.