I totally agree with Kingu on the games. 2 2v2 and 3v3 was just too much. I most enjoyed playing the 7v7 (5v5) games. I think they took a lot of skill and were really interesting to play. Also it really takes a lot of planning and teamplay. Points has to be 2 points for the 3v3 and 5v5 and 1 point for the others.

I think all people agree with bracket tourny, since we don't want it to go on forever.

Cental US team

I think if you make the 3v3 2 points you just want to play 1 game but 2 games for the 2v2 is pretty normal I think but you don't want same opponent in both games

1) monkey you are inactive from 16 days, so you are an alt...pls speak with your main account on nation cup if you are going to play it.
2) 5v5 involved less skill then 2v2 or 3v3, we discuss a lot on this point in some other thread, and the majority of ppl agree in this. If you give too many importance on 5v5, will ended that one player have to puppet other for make best teamgames.
Is much better play more 2v2 and 3v3 then give more importance to 5v5, bc if you have to really focus on 5v5, you have to waste more times.
3)For this the suggestion of JSA, 4 1v1 - 2 2v2 - 2 3v3 - 1 5v5 all Worth 1 point is best idea imho.
4) explanation bc 5v5 take ages:
-for make best move/picks one only player have to puppet other, for have better teamgames. Likely will be straight round 0%, so you will have to count a lot of things. Without count that 5v5 IS a LOTTERY PICKS. Often lucky on pick give you match.

Funny that netherland put in his team Monkey, inactive from 16 days :D
Meh, i really don't care if is an alt...but at least speak with your main account of organization of nation cup :)
I thought you was a troll.

any particular reason why 5v5 has to be straight round?

nevermind, missed one sentence, sorry

Rento, where are you from?

Poland

@Gnuffone: It is not an alt, it is the correct and real player. He also participated in the first Nations Cup, but after that he didn't do much else I guess.

Funny I'm being called an alt account right away. I just took a big break and ended all tournaments I was in. I'm just too busy these days to bother with warlight, but I will make an exception for the nation cup, since I really liked it last time.

About the 5v5, cause it is straight round it will make it a huge work to count it out. There is so much going on with that template that you just can't do all the work alone. Puppeting all players would be too much to handle and no fun anyway. That is why I think it takes a lot of skill. Also since you got so many picks that is often pretty equal when starting.

PS If most agree with it, that doesn't mean that it is true. Also, you should play the template before judging.

A bit late, but here is my humble opinion:

My preference would be:
3 1v1 (1pt)
2 2v2 (1pt)
1 3v3 (2pt)
1 5v5 (2pt)
total = 9pt

The 3 1v1 makes sense if you have a #1 and #2 player in each team. You get A1-B1, A1-B2 and A2-B1.
I'm also OK with 1 2v2 for 2 points, I'm against 2 3v3's. If there are more than one 2v2, 3v3 or 5v5, it should be with different settings (including a different map).
The 5v5 settings of last time were very good, I see no reason to change a successful template. I'm not a fan of 3v3 Europe, but that's just me. 1v1 strategic may be boring, but is the standard, I see no reason to change that one either.


Side-note:
@ Gnuffone: I'm pretty sure that Monkey is not an alt. If he was, it would have been very strange that his main account didn't join the Nation's cup.
I am certain that none of the other members of our team could have been him as there was a too consistent difference in style of writing and dialect between all the different team members which you can't fake.

So what is the desired amount of teams, total?

If we have too many do you simply separate all team 1's (for each region/country) and do team 2's, 3's, etc in another tournament?

If you really want to know: Monkey is my brother (which is why he took some games over for me when I left for Australia. Right now, however, all my open tournaments have finished but I'm still eager to play like one or two games while travelling. The Nations Cup would be ideal to fill that in.

Also, Frank has relieved me from that awkward captain position so he's gonna be cap of NLF1 instead of me. He's in a much better position to organise, so that makes a lot of sense.

And yeah, the 5v5/7v7 games were easily the best part of the Nations Cup, so please leave that template as it was and keep the emphasis on that in points. Not only from a strategic view is that a logical move, but this is the one game where the whole team matters, not just the skill of an individual or two. The NC is there to value the skill of a country or region as a whole, and should not be dominated by the 1v1 skills of a single individual. Since if that's the case, we might as well just hold a strat 1v1 tournament under the NC moniker...

ok np mate ;)
Anyway pls don't give too many importance to 5v5.
Pick lottery is too important for a game like that, and this is luck.

Indeed not to many importance should be given, but you are giving it not enough Gnuff :p
Even though picks are partly decided by luck (or do we use random start positions?) it still is the only game for the whole team to participate. A good nation shouldn't only have good single players, but should be (as a team is supposed to) good, or even better, at teamgames.

My point:
1) Lottery picks
2) For doing better, best player on team have to puppet other, so don't say is a really teamgames :D
3) don't put a map too big or will take ages.

My point
1) Picks are actually really balanced, cause you got a lot of players and a lot of good picks. The income is pretty even the first 3/4 turns.
2) The map is way too big to puppet the others. There is so much going on all the time, that it is just too hard and too much work to puppet all the players.
3) It takes like max 15 turns to complete the 7v7. With 5v5 we only had one game, which took 8 turns. With 5v5 it is probably faster than the 7v7, so it isn´t that bad.

If you say that picks are balanced in a 5v5, you don't understnad how work the algoritm for pick!
About puppet, already on last nation vup, a lot of nation tell me that on 7v7 they play like puppet...
About that usually take very long, just look past 7v7 of last nation cup ;)