Thanks for calling it a quote that make me feel special :P

myhandisonfire I have no idea what are you talking about and you probably also have no idea. You try to argue that homosexuality is fine with the argument that the man were some kind of an ideal 2000 years ago, while you have a woman on your avatar. This is a example of non-consistent though process. Opinions never have logical value. In the way you try to describe it, it have nothing to do with logic or not. People are hostile toward this disgusting pervertion due to a real negative effects it have upon the societies it exist in and this sentence is a example of the one that have logical value. It is not an opinion but a fact.
You both have no idea what a logic is, so don't use this word in your pseudointelectual babbles because it looks silly.
There is also not such thing as different ideas of logic. If people have different ideas about that, then for sure one group of them is wrong. Logical truth or false is an obiective value, not a subiective. It really makes me wonder who you are people to not realise that opinions ARE NOT logical.
There is no logic in saying Greek societies were right because they accepted this pervertion so it should be considered as a proper argument for this statement while the christianity is wrong just because it didn't accepted this pervertion.
Don't you think that your thinking is a result of modern brainwashing and "indoctrincation"?
It is actually pretty funny and ironical to state that people against homosexuality are indoctrinated while in fact your world view is dictated by what you was taught in school or in mass-medias. While I don't want to negate the authority of school institutions as an educational facilities it is an obvious fact for non-brainwashed people that at some point there is forced propaganda of political correctness into people's heads and brainless lemings like you are the result of that. We can see a plenty of them in this thread.

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"My opinion about the gays is........... let em fuck who they want when they want it ain't our job to judge them." - Random American red neck

myhandisonfire I have no idea what are you talking about and you probably also have no idea. You try to argue that homosexuality is fine with the argument that the man were some kind of an ideal 2000 years ago, while you have a woman on your avatar.
You don't have to be homosexual to think that being homosexual is fine. So his avatar does not matter.

This is a example of non-consistent though process. Opinions never have logical value. In the way you try to describe it, it have nothing to do with logic or not. People are hostile toward this disgusting pervertion due to a real negative effects it have upon the societies it exist in and this sentence is a example of the one that have logical value. It is not an opinion but a fact.
Please give me a good example of negative effect of not being heterosexual.

You both have no idea what a logic is, so don't use this word in your pseudointelectual babbles because it looks silly.
There is no logic in saying Greek societies were right because they accepted this pervertion so it should be considered as a proper argument for this statement while the christianity is wrong just because it didn't accepted this pervertion.
*Because you think it looks silly. It is not silly, I don't think it is.

Don't you think that your thinking is a result of modern brainwashing and "indoctrincation"?
No.

It is actually pretty funny and ironical to state that people against homosexuality are indoctrinated while in fact your world view is dictated by what you was taught in school or in mass-medias. While I don't want to negate the authority of school institutions as an educational facilities it is an obvious fact for non-brainwashed people that at some point there is forced propaganda of political correctness into people's heads and brainless lemings like you are the result of that. We can see a plenty of them in this thread.
When is something brainwashed? What/who do you consider as non-brainwashed?

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Also for who is interested this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnOJgDW0gPI (Imagine A World Where Being "Gay" The Norm & Being "Straight" Would Be The Minority! [Short Film])

myhandisonfire I have no idea what are you talking about and you probably also have no idea.

While I agree that you have no idea what I am talking about, I urge to speak for yourself, because I do.

You try to argue that homosexuality is fine with the argument that the man were some kind of an ideal 2000 years ago, while you have a woman on your avatar. This is a example of non-consistent though process. Opinions never have logical value. In the way you try to describe it, it have nothing to do with logic or not. People are hostile toward this disgusting pervertion due to a real negative effects it have upon the societies it exist in and this sentence is a example of the one that have logical value. It is not an opinion but a fact. You both have no idea what a logic is, so don't use this word in your pseudointelectual babbles because it looks silly.

More than 2000 years ago, humanity made a leap in civilisation. It advanced culturally, technically, medically, philosophically, scientifically etc. This all happened in ancient greece, under polytheism. With the fall of the Roman Empire and the adoption of Christianity as the main ideology in Europe, many of these advancements were forgotten or reverted. Europe had more than a thousand years of dark times under the banner of Christianity.
It needed the greek antiquity a second time, after the fall of byzantium and the resulting spread of ancient greek knowledge to the italian city states that Europe would find its way out of these dark times again. This process was called Renaissance, which means the rebirth. And the rebirth is the rebirth of antiquity. So with your lack of knowledge and incoherent babble you are the only one that looks silly here.

You claim homosexuality is a perversion, which is basically the viewpoint of the catholic church. You being from poland in one of the most catholic countries on earth, its not suprising that you adopted that viewpoint as your own. But as you said, you lack the knowledge and understanding of the things I try to explain to you and your ideological barrier will prevent you from doing so in the future. But homosexuality is not a perversion, its totally natural. Homosexuality is widespread in nature and it will always be a part of animal (including mankind) behaviour. Your denial wont change the evolutionary behaviour, nor will it the stop the world to spin, no matter how much you curse it. So quite ironically you are the pervert in denying nature.

The renaissance barely affected most people in Europe, it was mostly the higher classes that were affected. and most renaissance artists were paid by the church.

I am glad that you resigned of using the word "logic" as you are far from the person that have any clue about what it can possibly mean. Maybe you will do your homework one time.

You again prove that you have completely no idea about what are you talking about. All this, as I said already, pseudointelectual babble is a false. I am not sure if you are twisting fact deliberately or you just lack the basic knowledge about history.
I see no reason to mention that there was some kind of an develpoment in antique times because it is not related with the topic of this discussion, but you are probably mentioning that not because it is really a valid point or argument but just because it would make the acceptance of this pervertion as a reasonable thing. The advancement of humanity was noticeable in it's whole history and the one made in those times was actually very little compared to the development made in those "dark ages" and the times that ocurred after this time period. It goes to every aspect of life and science. You are simply brainwashed and you believe in the myths of how bad dark ages was and that the Christanity is responsible for everything that bad happend in those times. It doesn't makes me wonder why you never came up with the idea that there can be something wrong with this kind of a world view if you believe that opinion is logical! You need to educate yourself before you will embarass yourself once more with your very little knowledge.
That's why democracy and all other "developments" of antique Greece were quite bad for humanity. Democracy as a reign of fools (like you) and chaos, homosexuality that treaded the morality of people and made their societies weak. Greece quickly fallen to Romans that after some time adapted their views (homosexuality for example) and followed them.

The dark times you mentioned didn't happen due to Christanity and that it found homosexuality as something wrong and as a sin. This is what you seem to say and what is completely ridiculous. Again, there is no correlation between these things.
Christianity was well adapted in whole Europe long before the fall of Roman Empire which resulted in the dark times, not the existence of Christianity itself. Now we need to answer the question of why Roman Empire have fallen. I will leave you with this mistery. Small tip for you: It was not due to Christianity that was well accepted for houndreds of years.

With the renaissance and the birth of Machiavelli there is related the birth of liberalism - the reason of regress of whole modern western world. This is a huge topic to discuss on which I have no desire to talk right now, especially when you seem to be a hardcore, blind libtard that don't see anything except his own false world view.

Your argument that I might be biased because I live in Poland (not poland, you use a capital for writing a country names you uneducated troglodyte - I believe this is one of the examples of your pettiness due to our view differences which is pathetic) is kinda weak, because I don't have to be a Catholic myself. Generalisations are in general UNLOGICAL unless you will investigate every Pole which you obviously haven't done. This is not a surprise once again to me as you managed to prove yourself as a failure of a person that have any idea about what is he talking about.

"Homosexuality is not a perversion" - It is not just because you have said that? In fact, there is no homosexual behavior in nature observed. It is an artifical behavior that was putted into peoples heads by the indoctrination that also managed to take over your weak mind.
So homosexuality is not definitely natural and everything that you managed to write in the last pharagraphes is just a worthless nonsense. This also means that your weak ad personam arguments at the end of your pathetic post are also invalid.

I will answer your next babble tomorrow at the evening as I have no more time for you.

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The fuck is a troglodyte?

A troglodyte is a ancient homosexual dinosaur.

(not poland, you use a capital for writing a country names you uneducated troglodyte

that don't see >> that doesn't see (Don't is short for do not)
pharagraphes >> paragraphs

If you're going to nitpick his grammar then at least get your spelling and grammar sorted.

Now that we've got the juvenile crap sorted out...

If you want people to respect your opinions, cut out the insults. Having flicked through the last few pages of this discussion, I've noticed that you've criticised other people for using insults in their arguments, which is pretty hypocritical as in your last post you've used no less than six.

@Tupac: A Troglodyte is a caveman.

lolol, id love to see a vid of someone explaining what a Troglodyte is to Tupac

"Dinosaurs are anything living in the past" - T Rex on Warlight

So my definition was correct.

Not really interested in the main topic itself, but...:

The advancement of humanity was noticeable in it's whole history and the one made in those times was actually very little compared to the development made in those "dark ages" and the times that ocurred after this time period.

That's actually false from economical/sociological/scientific point of view since indeed middle-ages have been very slow in terms of improvement of quality of average life for example. Would you please clarify what is that development in "dark ages"?

That's why democracy and all other "developments" of antique greece were quite bad for humanity. Democracy as a reign of fools (like you) and chaos

I'm happy to inform you that democracy in ancient Greece was something far different from our modern democracy. The fact that the scale was usually one city, democracy in ancient times was far more direct when it comes to how the decisions were elected.

there is no correlation between these things. (...) It was not due to Christianity that was well accepted for houndreds of years.

The fall of Roman Empire created a vacuum in terms of political power. That power has dispersed between many countries and the church. The existence of church has influenced Europe far greater than anything else in those times. Stating there was no correlation is at best silly.

With the renaissance and the birth of Machiavelli there is related the birth of liberalism - the reason of regress of whole modern western world.

Since you don't want to discuss it I'll only briefly mention that statement. It baffles me why you mention Machiavelli and liberalism in one sentence. Since the sentence was so short, I don't really know what to make of it since it can be interpreted in a lot of different ways, I suggest being more clear in the future (jumping from renaissance, to machiavelli, to modern day liberalism discussion is not adviceable).

Your argument that I might be biased because I live in Poland (not poland, you use a capital for writing a country names you uneducated troglodyte - I believe this is one of the examples of your pettiness due to our view differences which is pathetic) is kinda weak, because I don't have to be a Catholic myself. Generalisations are in general UNLOGICAL unless you will investigate every Pole which you obviously haven't done. This is not a surprise once again to me as you managed to prove yourself as a failure of a person that have any idea about what is he talking about.

It might be a generalisation, but since I'm also a Pole, I'm going to say it is well-founded. Many of our right-winged nationalists sound a lot like you, many of our devoted catholics sound much like you and stating the fact that among comparable countries in central Europe we are one of the more catholic-influenced is not really rocket science.

In fact, there is no homosexual behavior in nature observed.

Source please, that sounds not true.


Please, if you use the words "logic" a lot in your posts, try to set a higher standard when it comes to writing posts. I really do not want Poles to have a bad reputation here.

Holy shit Hohenzollern. Somebody should check if there is a FOX-News anchor missing.
You claimed I used an ad hominem argument, let us see what you did there:

I am glad that you resigned of using the word "logic" as you are far from the person that have any clue about what it can possibly mean. Maybe you will do your homework one time.

You started right with a Personal Attack fallacy twice.

You again prove that you have completely no idea about what are you talking about.

Followed by a Factual Error fallacy

All this, as I said already, pseudointelectual babble is a false.

Creatively here is a Appeal to tradition fallacy

I am not sure if you are twisting fact deliberately or you just lack the basic knowledge about history.

I see no reason to mention that there was some kind of an develpoment in antique times because it is not related with the topic of this discussion, but you are probably mentioning that not because it is really a valid point or argument but just because it would make the acceptance of this pervertion as a reasonable thing.

That is a Strawman Fallacy.

The advancement of humanity was noticeable in it's whole history and the one made in those times was actually very little compared to the development made in those "dark ages" and the times that ocurred after this time period.

Again, Strawman Fallacy.

You are simply brainwashed and you believe in the myths of how bad dark ages was and that the Christanity is responsible for everything that bad happend in those times.

That was a real triple strike: Ad hominem fallacy, Personal Attack fallacy, strawman fallacy.

It doesn't makes me wonder why you never came up with the idea that there can be something wrong with this kind of a world view if you believe that opinion is logical!

Here we go again: strawman fallacy.

You need to educate yourself before you will embarass yourself once more with your very little knowledge.

This is getting old, Personal Attack fallacy.

That's why democracy and all other "developments" of antique greece were quite bad for humanity.

Another Factual Error fallacy.

Democracy as a reign of fools (like you) and chaos, homosexuality that treaded the morality of people and made their societies weak

Oh shit, Personal Attack Fallacy and Factual Error Fallacy.

Greece quickly fallen to Romans that after some time adapted their views (homosexuality for example) and followed them.

sigh , Factual Error, Strawman Fallacy.

The dark times you mentioned didn't happen due to Christanity and that it found homosexuality as something wrong and as a sin. This is what you seem to say and what is completely ridiculous. Again, there is no correlation between these things.

Strawman Fallacy, Factual Error fallacy.

Christianity was well adapted in whole Europe long before the fall of Roman Empire which resulted in the dark times, not the existence of Christianity itself

Guess what? Factual Error fallacy.

Now we need to answer the question of why Roman Empire have fallen. I will leave you with this mistery. Small tip for you: It was not due to Christianity that was well accepted for houndreds of years.

Hey something new, Red Herring fallacy.

... - the reason of regress of whole modern western world.

Factual Error fallacy.

Your argument that I might be biased because I live in Poland (not poland, you use a capital for writing a country names you uneducated troglodyte - I believe this is one of the examples of your pettiness due to our view differences which is pathetic) is kinda weak, because I don't have to be a Catholic myself.Generalisations are in general UNLOGICAL unless you will investigate every Pole which you obviously haven't done.

if we ignore the Personal Attack fallacy in the brackets, you are correct for once. Congratulations, I myself might have used an "ignoring the common cause" fallacy. Even though thats debatable.

This is not a surprise once again to me as you managed to prove yourself as a failure of a person that have any idea about what is he talking about.

An on goes the Personal Attack fallacy.

"Homosexuality is not a perversion" - It is not just because you have said that?

A burden of proof fallacy, accompanied by another strawman fallacy.

It is an artifical behavior that was putted into peoples heads by the indoctrination that also managed to take over your weak mind.

Yawn, a Factual Error fallacy.

So homosexuality is not definitely natural and everything that you managed to write in the last pharagraphes is just a worthless nonsense.

You go on with your Factual Error fallacy.

This also means that your weak ad personam arguments at the end of your pathetic post are also invalid.

A Poisoning the well fallacy, Two wrongs make one Right fallacy.


I really wanted to debate with you, but it seems there is nothing substantial of you to contribute.
Come back when you actually learned to debate.

Oh look. An LGBT argument... One comment I'd like to make, and maybe yall will shut up:

You can have whatever opinions you like. Some of us think it's right, some of us think it's wrong. But maybe, just maybe, we should all keep our opinions to ourselves, and let PEOPLE choose. Is it our right to say who should love who? We're trying to live in a free world. Is restricting what people can believe, and who people can love the right way to do that? Why can't we all just accept that we're different from one another? Maybe I'm living an idealistic fantasy, but it really shouldn't be that hard to get rid of bias. Be it towards Gays and Lesbians, other Religions, or towards Race, or even just basic appearance. Can't we all just be a little more tolerant. I'm not saying we all have to be friends, but maybe stop throwing around the excessive hate. Let people choose.

props to my handsonfire for doing something little of us have the patience to do

Homosexuality is a crime in some countries: That is a FACT. It's not a premise, it's a fact. Whether you agree or not gay marriage is illegal in some parts of the world. You're making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

maybe this depends on the language. In german there is still a different between a crime and a violation of law, which means that crimes are also violations and abuses not yet sentenced by law. Let me try it again with hopefully very easy words: There is nothing wrong with LGBT. If you assert something else, please explain it.

Secondly, LGBTs are not a race.

and you dont have a clue what racism means...

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More than 2000 years ago, humanity made a leap in civilisation. It advanced culturally, technically, medically, philosophically, scientifically etc. This all happened in ancient greece, under polytheism.


True true but the religion didn't really influence any of this.

With the fall of the Roman Empire and the adoption of Christianity as the main ideology in Europe, many of these advancements were forgotten or reverted.

Rome adopted christianity 100 years before its fall. May I remind you that 1 reason rome fell was do to polytheism invaders so the knowledge being lost is due to them. Not Christian rome. After wards they themselves adopted christianity and had to restart civilization.



It needed the greek antiquity a second time, after the fall of byzantium and the resulting spread of ancient greek knowledge to the italian city states that Europe would find its way out of these dark times again. This process was called Renaissance, which means the rebirth. And the rebirth is the rebirth of antiquity. So with your lack of knowledge and incoherent babble you are the only one that looks silly here.

As stated the polytheism greek religion didn't really have anything to do with advancement.



That's why democracy and all other "developments" of antique Greece were quite bad for humanity. Democracy as a reign of fools (like you) and chaos, homosexuality that treaded the morality of people and made their societies weak. Greece quickly fallen to Romans that after some time adapted their views (homosexuality for example) and followed them.

Democracy was made to oppose a power drunk government lead by a tyrant or a few tyrants. Greece made many developments for mankind that helped everybody. Don't label all their developments as "bad for humanity"

Also how do I do the slanted word thing you guys do instead of putting quotations marks? Does it work on tablit?