This attempt at debate has become about as useless as tic-tac-toe.

neither side wants to go home.

Just bring your army and kill everyone

@Genghis

Im with you


@TChosen1

I am talking about the US because the thread is about the US :P

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Gentian, both sides are certain they are right. Unfortunately one side has this attitude due to some serious indoctrination.

The USA is the BIGGEST threat to humanity. No other country has the potential and the willing to invade and damage so many countries, with casual disregard for the citizens on the ground. If it's in the USA's interests, fuck the innocent!

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Second most powerful, though.

Gentian, both sides are certain they are right. Unfortunately one side has this attitude due to some serious indoctrination.

Seems to me both sides are having the same problem.

The USA is the BIGGEST threat to humanity. No other country has the potential and the willing to invade and damage so many countries, with casual disregard for the citizens on the ground. If it's in the USA's interests, fuck the innocent!

You could count the number of countries that the U.S has launched a full scale invasion of in the past 30 years with your fingers. Hardly a "threat to humanity".

Seriously,I'm tired of seeing that loaded term. It's exaggeration to the highest degree. Does U.S intervention in foreign countries cause serious problems? Of course,I've never denied that. Does it threaten humanity itself? Not at all.

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The USA is the BIGGEST threat to humanity. No other country has the potential and the willing to invade and damage so many countries, with casual disregard for the citizens on the ground. If it's in the USA's interests, fuck the innocent!

Well, there's Russia and China to add to that list, as it were.

You could count the number of countries that the U.S has launched a full scale invasion of in the past 30 years with your fingers. Hardly a "threat to humanity".

1980-89: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations#1980.E2.80.931989

1990-99: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations#1990.E2.80.931999

2000-09: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations#2000.E2.80.932009

2010-Present: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations#2010.E2.80.93present

You were saying?

Taisho, perhaps I should clarify. I was talking about invasions, not military operations. A military operation does not constitute an invasion, many of the things on the above lists are airlifts, supporting legitimate groups already occupying any area, exercises, and so forth.


By invasion I meant large scale ground troops taking and occupying territory for a long period of time, fighting against the government of the local country, asserting full authority over the area. Name me some of those besides Iraq/Afghanistan that have occurred semi-recently.

Name something like that in the last 30 years that the US hasn't started, besides perhaps the Vietnam War.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine.
That is simply Putin being Soviet.

Tsh, Russia's never actually invaded Ukraine, it invaded (at request of) the Crimean Republic. There was no Ukrainian authority in Crimea when Russia took it.

Something most folk don't realise:
If Russia invaded Ukraine, Ukraine would be Russian now.

Name something like that in the last 30 years that the US hasn't started, besides perhaps the Vietnam War.

Crimean Crises/Ukrainian civil war (Ukraine and Russia)
Bangladesh Liberation War (India,Bangladesh,and Pakistan)
Yom Kippur War (Israel and pretty much everyone who borders them)
2008 invasion of Anjouan (Sudan,Senegal,Tanzania, backed heavily by France)
Russo-Georgian War (Do I really need to list the combatants for this one?)

You asked for one, I give you five. This is far from a full list. There is an endless amount of conflicts that have taken place in the past half-century and plenty of them didn't even involve the U.S.

I told you why Crimean Crisis is not applicable.
The Bangladesh Independence War is an independence war, not an invasion. Also in the 70s (40 years ago)
Yom Kippur War: Ditto
Comoros: Independence (failed)
Russian-Georgian: Maybe

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Alright, more modern then:

Iran-Iraq War.
Transnistria War.
Eritean-Ethiopia War.

3 Large scale conflicts that occurred after 1980 and did not involve the U.S. It's also fair to note several civil wars in the Caucasus Region and Eastern Europe that saw Russian involvement. (Russia really loves getting involved in civil wars of ex-U.S.S.R countries it seems)

Iran-Iraq war directly included only two countries, but folk certainly chose their sides, here, including US. US was a humongous supporter of Iraq, providing intelligence through spy satellites and more than several big payments. US was certainly "involved" to some extent.

Transnistria War: Independence War

In the Eritrean-Ethiopian war, US certainly picked sides as well, same thing as Iran-Iraq war.

Civil Wars? Other than the Artsakh war and the Abkhazian conflict and the various happenings in south of Kazakhstan, in which you should thank Russia that Tajikistan is not Islamic Tajik State

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see, here is Xypapy raping two kittens and a dog

Also, there is only one thing wrong with american and ONE THING ONLY; the government. it is the single most fucked up government the world has ever seen. In fact, it is so fucked up that i think Xypapy is right when he complains about how much america sucks. jk. But name ONE OTHER THING that is wrong with america. one

Taisho, perhaps I should clarify. I was talking about invasions, not military operations. A military operation does not constitute an invasion, many of the things on the above lists are airlifts, supporting legitimate groups already occupying any area, exercises, and so forth.


By invasion I meant large scale ground troops taking and occupying territory for a long period of time, fighting against the government of the local country, asserting full authority over the area. Name me some of those besides Iraq/Afghanistan that have occurred semi-recently.

Seems you're changing the definition of invasion to suit your viewpoints. A majority of those operations were not legitimate and were of no benefit to the civilians involved. Just saying.

Alright, more modern then:

Iran-Iraq War.
Transnistria War.
Eritean-Ethiopia War.

3 Large scale conflicts that occurred after 1980 and did not involve the U.S. It's also fair to note several civil wars in the Caucasus Region and Eastern Europe that saw Russian involvement. (Russia really loves getting involved in civil wars of ex-U.S.S.R countries it seems)


Iran-Iraq War.

Iran-Iraq War.

Iran-Iraq War? You sir, are a fool (this is not a personal attack, it's a fact). The US more or less instigated the whole event. They literally encouraged both sides to go to war with each other, allying back and forth between the two.

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/iran_iraq_war_american_interest.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4859238

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/26/world/us-secretly-gave-aid-to-iraq-early-in-its-war-against-iran.html

Eritean-Ethiopia War.

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/mountain1.html

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4185591?sid=21106243418723&uid=3737864&uid=2&uid=4

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrean%E2%80%93Ethiopian_War

Eklipse, read some books and don't come back until you have something semi-intelligent to say. You're so ignorant of what your own government is doing, it's nothing short of pathetic.

US was certainly "involved" to some extent.

Perhaps I should of chose my words more carefully. However, you did ask me to find wars that the U.S started. They certainly did not start Iraq-Iran war. They also were not directly involved in any combat despite whatever support was given.

In the Eritrean-Ethiopian war, US certainly picked sides as well, same thing as Iran-Iraq war.

Doesn't matter in this context. The U.S did not start said conflict and did not do any full scale invasions of either country that I know of.

Civil Wars? Other than the Artsakh war and the Abkhazian conflict and the various happenings in south of Kazakhstan, in which you should thank Russia that Tajikistan is not Islamic Tajik State

They've also been in Georgia on more than one occasion, and there is the matter of their current meddling with Ukraine. (Not just referring to Crimea.)

To Taisho: I'm not even going to dignify your post with a proper response until you learn how to debate without ad-hominems and personal attacks.

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