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Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/28/2015 14:06:53


muddleszoom
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won.t let me vote
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/28/2015 14:54:12


master of desaster 
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and we just broke the 200 votes! 19hours runtime
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/28/2015 14:55:09


Chromeo
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+3 luck is really missing there
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/28/2015 15:01:24


Sephiroth
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I agree with widzisz, i'd like to have both of them
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/28/2015 18:16:57


master of desaster 
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fizzer won't make 2 1vs1 ladders. 2 ladder would be my choice too of course.
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/28/2015 18:53:39


Mike |GG| 
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This voting thing sucks, there is no way to vote against. I deffinitly prefer 0% luck over anything else....
maybe WR would be better than SR,
maybe random moves order would be better than cyclic,
and my own never ending wish maybe deleting useless blocage card would be better,
but that all still is better and more fair than 16% luck where 7 did not take 4,
so basically i vote AGAINST old ladder and take new one with gladness.
Thanks Fizzer for update.
Regards,
Mike
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/28/2015 19:00:07


ChrisCMU 
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Blockade is very useful.

But it is silly to call this a poll. You are just showing the support FOR your idea (which is fine, just call it what it is).

I am shocked 2v2 ladder did not get more picks. there is more universal support for that. I think like %90+ favor more picks on 2v2 ladder. Not sure stats on the WR vs SR on 1v1 ladder, but that is a much smaller majority that supports that.
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/28/2015 19:05:02


Sephiroth
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2v2 0%SR 2x4 ME and 2v2 0%SR 4x4 China are still the best 2v2 templates i think
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/28/2015 19:07:35

Sabali
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"This voting thing sucks, there is no way to vote against."

Fizzer said if the uservoice gets enough votes he will have another poll on the ladder, so really we're just voting to have a poll.
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/28/2015 19:16:08


master of desaster 
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mike funny that you didn't realize that it was not longer 16%wr. you must've been very unlucky lately failing 7vs4 attacks. Not even Players who understand what luck means know the Settings of the 1vs1 ladder how it was.

as sabali said. this is just here to make fizzer realize that the community wants to have a real poll about the 1vs1 ladder and not only a thread, where he's completely ignoring what the community wanted.

EDIT: I believe 212 votes in less than 24 hours should be enough of a sign to create an official poll.

Edited 9/28/2015 19:18:55
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/28/2015 19:31:10


ChrisCMU 
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I %100 agree he should have an official poll, despite liking the SR myself. This is a big change that requires it to be done right. I feel like that did not happen on the 2v2 ladder either and now we are stuck with that template.
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/28/2015 20:39:10

smileyleg 
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I really like the idea of two ladders. Just call the one "1v1 Classic" or something.

(Don't go back to 16% though. 0% WR)
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/29/2015 03:48:49


master of desaster 
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The idea is to bring the ladder back how it was before the last update. So wirh 0% wr.
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/29/2015 16:01:22


ChrisCMU 
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FYI, I recounted the votes in that thread and %71 favored %0 WR over %0 SR. I would expect if Fizzer made an official poll based on this request you'd see similar numbers.

I think the better way to handle this would have been to do a seasonal with %0 SR before posting that thread just to see how it compared. I think one of the old seasons might have been that (the last couple were, but multi-attack makes it totally different game).

EDIT - Looks like Season IV could be used as a comparison, we should probably examine those games and see how they went:

Season	Map	        Settings
I	Medium Earth	Strat, %16 WR, Light Fog, Cycle move, 0s in dist.
II	Medium Earth	Strat, %16 WR, Light Fog, Cycle move
III	EA&O	        Strat, %16 WR, Cycle move, 3s in dist.
IV	Medium Earth	Strat, %0 SR, Cycle move
V	Battle Isle V	Strat, %0 SR, Cycle move
VI	Medium Earth	Strat, %16 WR, no wastelands, Auto Dist.
VII	Heavy Earth	%16 SR, 1 army starts, 1 neutrals, 2s in dist.
VIII	Mod Med Earth	Strat, %16 WR, Randomized Bonuses
IX	Mod Med Earth	Strat, %0 WR (%85 def kill), Cycle move, Random bonus
X	Four Castles	4 way FFA, Strat, %16 WR, Army cap
XI	Mod Med Earth	Strat, %16 WR, Light Fog, Cycle move, Local Deploy
XII	Turkey	        No luck Cycle, Local Deploy
XIII	Mod Med Earth	Strat, %0 WR, Cycle, Local Deploy, Random bonus
XIV	Romanium	%16 SR, 15 wastes of 3, cities = 0
XV	Poland	        %0 SR
XVI	Mod Med Earth	Strat, %16 WR, No Split Mode
XVII	Ancient Greece	%0 SR, NC, 10 wastelands of 5
XVIII	Snow Mountains	%0 SR, no luck cycle
XIX	Mod Med Earth	Strat, %0 SR, no luck cycle, Multi Attack, Light Fog
XX	Mod Med Earth	Strat, %0 SR, no luck cycle, Multi Attack, Light Fog, Local Deploy


Edited 9/29/2015 16:03:26
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/29/2015 16:03:06


Verzehrer 
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I put up three votes, too. This change ignores and alienates most of the WL community.
One last Seasonal and then the good old 1v1 ladder will probably be gone for good ... : /

And I thought that 1v1 ladder was the one holy, untouchable one, but seemingly not. I think I remember some remarks by fizzer in that regard in the past, but I guess that wasn't true, then.

Congratulations to the few that spoke for and promoted that change, interestingly being also the most successful coin players, calculating those games to dead, expansion instead of strategy, breaking an enemy`s bonus not worth a dime any more, all just about coverage and stalling the opponent.

There were coin games with this template already, but after a while hardly anyone wanted to play them any more. So now that template for the ladder so more players play the coin games again? I don't believe that'll help at all.

And what is a 30$-Membership worth if we members don't get a saying at all (though exactly that is what we're being told)?
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/29/2015 16:07:36


ChrisCMU 
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I just noticed Fizzer won season IV (which was %0 SR ME). Let the conspiracy talk begin!

Edited 9/29/2015 16:07:50
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/29/2015 17:27:18


Strategos
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Conspiracy talk: Fizzer barred me from playing that season. He wants to keep my gold trophies to a minimum.

About MoD's point: Someone should look at all the new ladder games that finish. How many players didn't realize the settings and map changed? Not everyone pays attention to shit. They mechanically go through the motions expecting everything to be the same as before.

I saw a game in which a top 5 player didn't realize the settings had changed. So I rejoined the ladder, hoping to get a game against him. If he picks and plays according to the old settings and I play according to the new settings, he'll be at a disadvantage. Easy win.

Edited 9/29/2015 18:23:00
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/29/2015 17:50:32


ChrisCMU 
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How was he playing old style? Attacking 4v2s? That would be pretty bad for a "top 10" player. I assume you mean some other adjustment was not made?

EDIT - I see one game where 1 chips were used that resulted in 2 extra armies lost that were not needed, but it looks like that was done for extra delaying on a poke.

Edited 9/29/2015 18:11:29
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/29/2015 18:11:17


Strategos
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Chris, https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9546808

He figured out the settings after turn 1. Too late. I'm so evil! 14-0.

Edited 9/29/2015 18:16:28
Bring the old 1vs1 ladder back. Uservoice!: 9/29/2015 18:24:16


ChrisCMU 
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Those are some impressive wins. I'll be your accountant on 3v3 ladder if you tutor me on 1v1 ladder :)
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