Ok, lets talk this through then. You said the top clan from each division would get promoted and the remaining clans would be ranked so they are divided between Division D and E for season 8. Unless I am wrong, you say nothing regarding ranking the clans for additional promotions. Correct me if I am wrong.

The process of promoting Yin Yang on points in entirely flawed. Why does Lu Fredd promote despite getting less points then Yin Yang and AWF? Because promotions aren't based on rankings across division D1 and d2, they are based on rankings in the individual divisions. So why are you now switching to blending the divisions to decide which clan to promote? Rather it should be promoting the 2nd place clans from both D1 and D2 to C or neither. I see no other option.

That is the system you established for promoting the first place clans and it seems only fair to continue that system for additional promotions.

Play a few games to determine the spot! It isnt like league A will be finished anytime soon.

Yeah agree with Great Expanse. In my opinion, the only fair way to judge the 3rd best clan across D1/D2 is to have a head-to-head between YinYang and Illuminati.

Maybe this was HHH's plan all along? To ensure fairness in Group D, he has made a noble sacrifice and prolonged Group A. Don't let it go to waste!!

somehow i would like to see a final ...

Horserace,

Points Growth and

Ranking Table

GE?

The deal was that the first two clans from D1 and D2 get promoted. If Lu Fredd wasn't promoted this would have been unfair. Illuminati however knew the goal, failed to achieve it and should now accept defeat with honor.

Here is what was stated on D1/D2 (see 2nd post on that page):

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/93697-clan-league-7-preperation-thread?Offset=200

I don't understand your logic of both or none. Who would you have me fill the 7th spot in C with if not Yin Yang? The only option would be to play with 6 in C (what is the point of that?) or to demote one less from C.

This is a very childish stance you are taking. "If we can't both have spots in C, then neither should"


If you guys want to play a HTH for it, by all means. I'm just going by the rules I stated before...where I said D1, D2, D3, D4, etc...not D1, D2, D3a & D3b (which is what you are suggesting).

Supposing we ignore points (because I agree Darklords skewed things with free wins). The standard tiebreaker we have always used in CL is tournament wins. Yin Yang has 4 tournament wins (1 shared 3 ways). Illuminati has 2. So that would put Yin Yang in for sure. Tournament wins is a fair measure because it ignores the case where everyone in a RR gets a free win. It only matters who beat the teams who were actually competing.

ONE has to start in division D!!
if not then xs have to get down!

Edited 2/11/2016 19:33:36

How come gerneral chou get promoted over olympus? they came 5th where as we came 4th.
I don't think we can use points in one case and position in the other. We should use one only, and the other in the case of a tie breaker. The way I see it, either we use points with position as a tie breaker, or position with points as a tie breaker. I'm personally fine with either, but lets be consistent.

If we use position with points as tie breaker, then VS, AWF, Yin Yang get promoted. General Chou stays in D, Olympus goes to E.

If we use position with points as tie breaker, then VS, Lu Fredd, Yin Yang get promoted. Olympus stays in D, General Chou goes to E.

As for illuminati, to say the points of D2 were over-rated because of darklords isn't really a fair statement, you would need to consider the qaulity of all the teams to be able to tell if points were over-rated, I could easily say that VS are a lot stronger than Lu fredd and so countered the darklord wins. So I don't think theres any way you get promoted unless another space opens up.

So I don't think theres any way you get promoted unless another space opens up.

*begins plotting a few harmless assassinations*

@ChrisCMU, I wanted you to prove your stance. You proved it. Yin Yang is being promoted. That is the end of discussion.

@Norman, God forbid I argue a point apparently.

@Let's Fight, I will update eventually once promotion/relegation stuff has calmed down.

@Hades, ChrisCMU has made it clear that Yin Yang is being promoted by points. Since he is using the precedent of ranking clans by points, General Chou got more points then Olympus so they remain in Division D next season. Rankings aren't used for who is in Division D and E, it is by the points a clan got.

Edited 2/11/2016 19:44:17

Well its not clear, if its by points then AWF should get promoted over Lu Fredd.
Theres no way to promoted lu Fredd and general chou without contradicting yourself.

Edited 2/12/2016 18:43:09

Lu Fredd won a division so they are promoted.

It is clear. I stated the rules before the league started. 1 promotion from each division (D1 and D2). After that, total points ranks 3-14. People can debate if that was the best method to use, but it IS clearly stated.

respect the host's decision, his reasoning makes sense.

At any rate, I took the advice of someone in here and we won't add two divisions at once for CL8. So this can't happen again.

@Hades, it is a contradiction but it is the established rule. I'm glad Chris decided to only accept one new division of clans. It removes this mess and makes his job easier. Whatever makes Chris' life easier is great since he puts a lot of time and effort into this which he should be commended for.

ok my bad

Edited 2/15/2016 04:49:44

Clan League Season 7: Division D1 Summary

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Congratulations to Lu Fredd on receiving the only promotion spot in division D1! It was a tough, tough group here; one of the most competitive outside of Group A. Not all clans here are of elite caliber but all displayed great skill and gave it their all for their clans. Everyone should be proud of themselves.

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Expectations:

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Let's start with expectations. There were a couple predictions posts at the beginning of this thread from players in this division and not. So, the expectations were set and mostly they were wrong.

Each clan result is highlighted in green.

Lu Fredd:      above expectations
ILLUMINATI:    slightly below expectations
M’Hunters:     slightly below expectations
CORP:          slightly above expectations
General Chous: no consistent expectations
Hawks:         slightly above expectations
Dutch Forever: below expectations

While CORP played the ‘underdog’ status for a while, they performed around or slightly above expectations. This shows that CORP does have quality strategy players in their clan but that CORP needs to stop resorting to spamming forums to disprove a false narrative. Use actions, not words to do so.

It was believed ILLUMINATI▲ or M’Hunters were the clans to win this division but neither proved to be up to the challenge. Both put up decent showings but it was Lu Fredd that blew them out of the water. Lu Fredd was seen as a competent clan but no one predicted them winning. Lu Fredd was a true dark horse.

General Chous had no expectations being a small, quiet clan focused on profile pictures of dogs. Their strategy bona fides were not known outside of decent team skills and they were strong in a tough, tough division. Lastly Hawks managed to eke past Dutch Forever, but both remained also-rans. But Dutch Forever disappointed more than Hawks with some predicting them to do be more of lower middle tier clan then ending up at the bottom of the division.

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A Brief Summary of the Competition:

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CORP and M’Hunters stormed to early leads with CORP saying this was just the beginning and that OxtheArtist’s prediction of a 2nd place finish was possible. He ended up both right and wrong but only because no one could see how this race would end up. ILLUMINATI▲ faltered at the beginning with few wins and a lackluster win rate, I was worried about the line-up seeing as it was thrown together last minute but it proved to be an anomaly. General Chous was by far the slowest clan but had one of the longest losing streaks. But they were the Turtle in this race.

In all of this Lu Fredd was quietly moving up the clan ranks as CORP’s early rush slowed; Hawks and Dutch Forever, intially part of the bunch-up, faded more and more as Clan League progressed.

It wasn’t until late in the game, around Weeks 9 or 10 that it became clear Lu Fredd’s lead was insurmountable. It was around this time that ILLUMINATI▲ quietly moved up as M’Hunters and CORP slowed. Persistance, for both ILLUMINATI▲ General Chous, was key in Clan League.

The race, perpetually tight, now was a question of which clan would reach fourth place (the cut off for remaining in Group D). CORP was a favourite to hold the position and briefly General Chous was in a position to challenge for it. But ultimately CORP pushed forward and finished in a competitive fourth place (just 5 points behind second place).

The margin of difference between second and fourth place is quite surprising and while none of CORP, M’Hunters or ILLUMINATI▲ were in contention for promotion with Lu Fredd in the end, it is still quite striking a result.

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Final Clan Rankings:

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General Chous was lucky that AHOL dropped out of clan leading to a chain of events letting them remain in Group D. And lets not re-hash who gets to move into Group C, it was decided that Yin Yang was the clan to be promoted.

Hawks and Dutch Forever didn't do well in this division but how they will rank in Group E next season will be interesting.

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Player Commendations:

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While researching which players to commend for their records this season I noticed the diffrences in the size of each clan’s line-ups. Most opted for a small lineup with ILLUMINATI▲and CORP having larger lineups. This kind of skews it because the clans with smaller line-ups (I’m looking at M’Hunters and Lu Fredd) have seemingly more impressive players just through sheer volume of games per player.

For each clan there will be a MVP with other players that did well with their records.

• M’Hunters:
  fifi (MVP): An impressive (21-3) record, winning or part of the clan team that won 1v1 Turkey, 2v2 Strat ME NL and 3v3 EU WR tournaments.
  Other Players: Kroete (9-3), Melethron (6-0)
  
• Lu Fredd:
  Gardo91 (MVP): A strong (19-5) record, winning or part of clan teams that won 2v2 Szeurope and 1v1 Gurioma tournaments
  Other Players: Galvorn (18-6), Taji (19-5), Sephiroth (10-2)
  
• ILLUMINATI▲:
  zappyelf (MVP): Won Battle Islands Tournament with a (5-1) record in a tough group.
  Other Players: The Glorious Koala (9-3), Great Expanse (9-4), Sam Datt (8-4)
  
• CORP:
  mm3100 (MVP): With a strong (12-6) they were a force to be reckoned with in 1v1 by winning the ME WR tournament.
  Other Players: Chancho (5-1), OxtheArtist (5-1)
  
• General Chous:
  Ko (MVP): With a formidable (16-2) record, they dominated in all tournament and winning the 1v1 ME SR tournament.
  Other Players: woswo (12-6)
  
• Dutch Forever:
  [NL] Lucas (MVP): Put a strong showing in the ME WR tournament with a (7-5) record overall).
  
• Hawks:
  Galahad (MVP): Had a positive (7-5) record in a clan with a low win rate, coming second in the Greece tournament.
  Other Players: let’s fight (5-1)
  

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Tournament Winners:

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1v1
Strat ME https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=15820 WINNER: CORP(mm3100)
Battle Islands https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=15823 WINNER: ILLUMINATI▲(zappyelf)
Greece https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=15824 WINNER: ILLUMINATI▲ (Sabali)
Guiroma https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=15826 WINNER: Lu Fredd(Gardo91)
ME 0% SR https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=15827 WINNER: General Chous ([HL] Ko)
Turkey: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=15828 WINNER: M'Hunters(fifi)

2v2

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Strat ME https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=15758 WINNER: M'Hunters
Guiroma https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=15760 WINNER: CORP
Szeurope https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=15759 WINNER: Lu Fredd

3v3

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EU 0% WR 4x5 https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=15735 WINNER: M'Hunters
EU 0% SR 4x4 https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=15757 WINNER: Lu Fredd

Lu Fredd and M'Hunters finish with 3 tournaments wins each, ILLUMINATI▲ and CORP each winning 2 and General Chous 1 tournament win. A good distribution among the top 5 clans.

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With this season over and (hopefully) the promotions settled, each clan can look forward to next season. General Chous, ILLUMINATI▲, M’Hunters and CORP wont be getting away from each other haha! But we welcome AWF from D2 as well The Lost Wolves and TheFootBallGuys from C, and good luck you! ;)

Season 8 will be tougher for every clan then Season 7. M’Hunters has said they will ‘try’ next season and then I say, so is everyone else. ILLUMINATI▲ will have a lineup geared towards the templates and CORP will continue to develop their strategy bonafides and show they aren’t a diplo clan. It bet it’ll be tight.

But whether I’ll be doing updates for it next season, hasn’t been decided yet. We’ll see.

Edited 2/16/2016 04:33:32

thanks GE for that big summary.with all the statistics i enjoyed to read it.

143,147,148 that was an impressive finish!

i'm curious about the next season as corp, to say it with your words, has show they aren’t [just] a diplo clan. ;)

i hope you will do the updates for the next season. it is guaranteed that it will be a close play again and it would be nice to see again the horserace :)

it is guaranteed that it will be a close play again and it would be nice to see again the horserace :)

It probably will be a close race for second place.

Edited 2/20/2016 17:35:05

Is that M'Hunters alluding to their 90% win rate next season?