^ Yeah. :( I feel bad personally because I kept giving Fizzer a hard time, but (at the suggestion of MotD) actually talked to him and he's really kind when it comes to development requests.

I think most of the developers on this site can tell you how many time constraints they have to deal with.

Actually, go to any popular GitHub repo- even a widely used one, like pip (the Python package manager- https://github.com/pypa/pip). There's over 500+ unresolved issues and 117 pull requests currently being handled. You can find similar statistics on the repos for actual programming languages that people use (https://github.com/apple/swift - 59 open pull requests, and that's with literally thousands of people contributing to it.

Fizzer's just one guy. He's got to handle actual bugs, critical feature updates for new releases, compatibility between a web app + multiple mobile apps, etc. etc., on top of a really large and growing codebase where you can really mess things up with even small updates.

Yes, some things the community desperately wants- but the thing is that Fizzer has to prioritize things, and you're only hurting Warlight by adding to his work.

Don't be a dick, especially if you're lazy like most of this site.

or 4 he understands the shit Fizzer has to go through in running and maintaining the game by himself.

Thanks porn posters. You really helped.

I better start saving up coins.

Edit: @Fizzer do all 'suitable' previously posted images stay in-lined?

Edited 2/6/2016 00:03:58

wow...surprised by this. Seems Google is more socially conservative than I thought.

And there's Knyte, not getting paid a cent, doing more for the game and it's community than Fizzer is.

... dude, all I did for the community this week was make about 60 games using stuff Fizzer built. This week, Fizzer's probably been working on some new features and currently testing them in a sandbox. He's updated at least a few things (that are still in beta) that I just asked him about a week ago.

I really object to being used against Fizzer here. He made WL, and he's a really nice person.

The thing is, developing is hard work. And I can tell you from experience that it can really fuck with your self-esteem because of how much stuff is out there to pick up, learn, and work on.

I never sent that report to start with, I wrote it and screenshot it for some people to laugh. LAUGH! Which is what you're supposed to be doing when looking at Fizzer "working" on his game. Laughing. Because Fizzer is, day after day, becoming more of a joke.

... so how do you contribute to society?

@MOD: I was thinking it could be enforced on a clan-by-clan level. IPL could, for example, blanket-refuse players from clans if they repeatedly accept players with certain violations.

Block people from the community, not the game, basically. Clan League could already do that to the 30+ clans in it- if they harbor trolls after being warned, they get out. This could force clan leaders to take charge.

There's gaps, though- after all, there's clans out there that just accept everyone and aren't serious enough to get affected by this (but active enough to offer some sort of community). Not sure how to deal with them.

But we need some way to contain the tumor as a community. I think the first step would be to actually track it.

Edited 2/5/2016 23:46:40

It has been said many times. We need MORE MODERATORS, and they should have permission to actually DELETE/EDIT posts/threads. Not just poor Chris who can only move threads meaning that Fizzer is the only one that actually can delete some unwanted posts.

It's not that Fizzer is totally lazy, it's just WarLight is big enough to need more than one, two persons doing stuff.

There is still possibility to add links, is it? You can simply upload image somewhere on Internet and link it. Of course, one more click is reuqired, but it is not a hell of a work.

Look, As a community I'm sure we are all ticked off about losing a feature but what's important is about cleaning for the return of ad revenue, If we all have a cautious eye out and take the time to write a report to remove adult images e.g We should be reporting Lolicon loves profile right now. It's not about what happened in the past it's about how we deal with it now. One report is all it takes and not trying to sound attention seeking but if reporting my asshole behavior hells than do it.

On a side note, There is a report structure in place and it's very detailed AFAIK Every report is being looked at according to some of the report reviewers I've been lucky to be contacted and asked by. I think it's now time for them to know that the ball is in their court to start moderating these forums even more efficient than ever! Especially if Ad revenue which is crucial to keep this site going at stake.

There needs to be community doing their job as the report moderators doing theres!

Giving mods full admin powers, though, could create issues- I get the impression that at least a few of them would delete all of OT if they could (I know I would, if I were a mod and had that power). Decentralization works best, imho, as a verification mechanism.

... dude, all I did for the community this week was make about 60 games using stuff Fizzer built. This week, Fizzer's probably been working on some new features and currently testing them in a sandbox. He's updated at least a few things (that are still in beta) that I just asked him about a week ago.

Thinking about how the last 2 major updates (coins and dashboard) were all, saying lightly, controversial, I think that the folk want things that can't go wrong and are choice, like whatever you did. I'm not sure myself, but I've heard from other coders on the site that he still hasn't implemented many important settings that would require very little change in code against long coding for coins (which was understandable in that case, but now he no longer has the right to whine anymore about money problems) and dashboard. Coding 30 hours each week, he should really get much more done.

He made WL, and he's a really nice person.

Warlight was his peak. It's just a somewhat simple flash game that took a while to make, but was obviously fun to make.

The thing is, developing is hard work. And I can tell you from experience that it can really fuck with your self-esteem because of how much stuff is out there to pick up, learn, and work on.

Again, thinking about Fizzer's latest developments (crap or practically none), Fizzer needs a vacation.

I never sent that report to start with, I wrote it and screenshot it for some people to laugh. LAUGH! Which is what you're supposed to be doing when looking at Fizzer "working" on his game. Laughing. Because Fizzer is, day after day, becoming more of a joke.



... so how do you contribute to society?

Curb your arrogance here. How do you contribute? By eating soup and coding some tournament stuff? Don't glorify yourself, fool.

Edited 2/5/2016 23:54:18

ITT: people who couldn't write FizzBuzz telling others how trivial and easy an actual programmer's job is.

Curb your arrogance here. How do you contribute? By eating soup and coding some tournament stuff? Don't glorify yourself, fool.

I wasn't talking about myself. Fizzer actually does shit and the rest of us just talk about how easy it is.

I mean, given that most of this stuff is apparently super-trivial, you'd expect to see more CLOTs on this site, more of the "coders" not coming up with excuses about literally avoiding using wrapper libraries, and more people actually helping with community projects instead of just whining about Fizzer and praising people who actually do shit.

It's easy to find flaws. It's a little bit harder to report them (which is enough to deter a lot of people), but devs and designers still appreciate it because it helps them do their job. But what's actually hard is trying to get stuff done when people just complain about everything you do and oversaturate you with mostly junk feedback.

Edited 2/5/2016 23:59:27

Lol, I think Juq realised how hostile he was and quickly edited that last part of his meaningless text wall x)

To all the Fizzer bashers-

Why you don't you go and find something else to do with your life if you're so annoyed with a product he has spent so much time developing? It's his product(and a brilliant one at that). What he has achieved with this site till date, all by himself, is nothing short of spectacular.

I bet not one of you knows a thing about development. If you do, and are still bashing him, you really have no sense of what development is. There are always tons of features and only one person to work on them. Not everything can get done. Deal with it.


p.s - @knyte - I'm glad you've changed your mind and recognize the great work Fizzer does.

It has been said many times. We need MORE MODERATORS, and they should have permission to actually DELETE/EDIT posts/threads. Not just poor Chris who can only move threads meaning that Fizzer is the only one that actually can delete some unwanted posts.

^ This guy haven't slept in several days and presumably never made a game or forums and already said something smarter than "block all images".

What's so hard about giving some people some power? Not even delete, just Locking and sending it to a priority report list for them to be deleted ASAP (or just give them delete power)?

On open forums: Choose some players the community trusts (chris for one), problem solved.
On mail threads: Whoever started the mail thread. Period.
On clan forums: Players with Manager Rights. Simple.

Is it that hard? I'm pretty sure that isn't something that takes several days of learning and coding. That's a very simple edit that takes little to no effort and would help you control toxicity in threads and clan forums too, which are unmoderated (not too different from the open forums).

Edit: Rare situation: I actually agreed to what Juq says. That's not something that

ITT: people who couldn't write FizzBuzz telling others how trivial and easy Fizzer's job is.

Nobody said it's "trivial or easy", but I think that with 30 hours a week, in a month, anyone can do way better than changing 10~15 images. Or better yet, in 15 days, revert that change if the public doesn't enjoy it...

It's his product(and a brilliant one at that)

It's his products, but we all are the ones buying and using it. We're, like it or not, his source of money. If he fails to keep the players interested, eventually the game goes down for lack of funding.

I am a member, I am paying for this product. Just like I'd hate if I were to get a rotten apple when purchasing it, I don't really like it when the product I bought is headed in a bad direction. I'm using my right to complain. Saying I can't (specially when I'm actively funding it) is pretty much saying I can draw less than decent images of private parts in people's walls and they can't complain because they aren't drawers and don't know the strife of an artist.

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I'm going to stop posting here because at this point it's mostly derailing on "I trust fizzer" and "I hate fizzer". But hey, it's just typical MMO drama. The way warlight is headed, in several years, people's opinion will change accordingly to how Fizzer himself changes. I'm hoping it's for the best, but honestly, it's going in the wrong direction.

Edited 2/6/2016 00:08:38

If you're complaining without ever putting money into the site (membership, clans etc) why stick around if you're so unhappy with what fizzer does?

Either leave the site and play another online risk version. Or make your own version, then you will see it takes more work than you think.

On topic: It's a shame, but it's worth it. Imo the players who done it should be permanently banned, people told them at the time.

Lol, I think Juq realised how hostile he was and quickly edited that last part of his meaningless text wall x)

Yeah, the features on this site may need some work, but what really sucks are the people. I don't even do much for WL but it's very tempting to quit even that. There's plenty of more interesting projects out there for much more deserving (or at the very least, much more grateful) people.

I'm surprised at this point that Fizzer hasn't just moved on. If he's single-handedly developed all of this, he can probably move to SanFran and go corporate easily (it's not a hard market out there for people who actually know how to code).

It's great to make something that lets you interact with users- but not if the users are complete dicks.

Edited 2/6/2016 00:05:03

surprised to see knyte defending fizzer O_O

blacklisting Zephyrum

losing ads revenue temporarily sucks

hope there will be more regular offtopic trolls clean up now

surprised to see knyte defending fizzer O_O

Mostly because I complained to Fizzer about a few things and he added some features (currently in beta) surprisingly quickly. Turns out all you have to do is stop being a dick and differentiate your signals from the noise.

:P A lot of the newfound respect comes from him being way more responsive than I am as a developer. I'm not going to hold Fizzer to the standard of fixing everything immediately 'cause I do much worse when I'm personally swamped with seemingly trivial tasks.

Edited 2/6/2016 00:09:05

@Fizzer
Do these changes apply to your clan forum as well? I don't mean the clan forum that anyone can see.

Edit: thanks vitriol for finding out.

Edited 2/6/2016 00:14:29

Looks like they do. I can't post inline images on the CORP forum anymore.