That guy keeps repeating himself all this bullshit. Maybe he even believes it.

Also, thanks for the link, TeamGuns. I didn't look at this game before. Now it's pretty clear to me that Billy is the kind of guy who can't stand a defeat ^^

this game used to be more like risk before SR 0% was default..

Icr precisely, but I think WR 75% was default when I started.. which ends up giving a reasonable pseudo random result most times...

prevents the ultimate defeats that you can get in risk... but still good enough.

I finally looked at teamguns link.. when he first messaged you, you knew he had *at least* 20, because he had dropped all 16 on your border the turn before, as well as an R card, and you witnessed him capturing another 4, he broke your last 2 bonus' and he had 43 armies on the board to your 13.
17 of his armies were visible, and you could of easily deduced simply from his income and where his armies came from that he had had at least 16 more armies, and that's not even including where you thought his 5 armies came from which would have been another 6

so you *knew* he had 20 armies/turn.. you *knew* you had 5 armies/turn
you *knew* you had 13 armies.. you *knew* he had at least 33 armies..

this is a situation you had previously proposed should be an *instant loss* but you felt according to your own testimonial that you still had a chance to win, and when your opponent accurately guessed that you were stalling, and politely mentioned it, you threw a temper tantrum and then accused him of acting like you then proceeded to act.

No @Perin3088, you are missing some important facts:

a) The LAWLZ player called Billy out as a staller the turn he broke his income from 12 to 5 (previously 16 LAWLZ vs 12 Billy Walsh). He immediately called him out on the same day, giving Billy Walsh no time to surrender.

b) "Usually I don't force anyone to surrender but here, what do you expect ? Do you want to show everybody how great staller you are ? Because all your bonuses are down while I still have quite a good income..." --> Billys bonuses got broken and the LAWLZ player called him out immediately as a staller, that's not nice at all. Up until then Billy Walsh was playing with a 12 to 16 income disadvantage.

c) This particular LAWLZ player likes also continuing games at hopeless positions for a couple of more turns:
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10853846 (as a random example)
In fact here he continued playing at a propably even more hopeless position than Billy Walsh the position of Billy Walsh (the last turn Billy played regularly he still had 12 income).

d) This is Billy Walsh and he deserves some serious respect!

Edited 6/7/2016 18:54:36

Oooh, and of course Norman's gonna hate on Ven just because he's in CORP, hmm?

I don't know what LAWLZ is but Norman has it right. If he had just remained quiet, I would have surrendered very quickly, if not immediately then after the next turn for sure, I had only 5 income.

Norman,
a:he broke all his remaining bonus' at 23:42:13 on 05/16.
his first message was on 10:31:37 on 05/17.
that is 10 hours 49 minutes 24 seconds after the income changed to 20-5

go to turn 9, it starts at 12-16, and ends at 5-20.. that turn was at 05/16
turn 10 was on 05/19 10:46:56, which is when billy had adequate time to deduce what I deduced in less than 5 minutes from his screen, which puts him in what he deemed to be an instant surrender position.
he mentioned at 05/17 10:37:18 that he thought there was still a chance of him winning, despite 11 hours earlier his position being put into a position of no return.
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/155011-idea-fix-ladder-stalling
my point was that he wants the exact situation he was in to be where it counts as a loss, and even after the opponents response he stated *I don't ever surrender until I am convinced the game is over, i am not quite convinced and my next move requires thought* it would of taken him 5 minutes to add up the incomes and see that according to his own testimonial he has lost, so either he is lying in this game, or his idea is entirely flawed at it's premise *as he was at 25% income and 30% armies, and he still thought a comeback was possible*


b-c: I wasn't arguing that point at all, so I don't understand why it was brought up towards me, nor am I defending Billy's opponent.
you can see from the play speed that billy played fast up until that point, and stalled every turn after that save for one, while the opposing player took pretty long turns to play, even early in the game. This however doesn't change the fact that Billy acted incredibly worse than the opponent after receiving practically nothing as an insult.

the comment was obviously meant as bait for billy walsh to act in a way that would make him look bad.. and not a very good one. the fact that Billy fell for it so easily just shows what kind of a player he truly is.. the opposing player had been playing an average of 25 hours a day and only gave 11 hours of wait before making a comment when Billy had clearly lost.. Billy, rather than be the *greatest player on warlight* as according to his own claim, acted the child, with proof to be seen, instantly cursing at the opponent.

d: respect is earned, not given. I have seen nothing of Billy Walsh that deserves respect, and in fact I see many things that deserve the opposite. He brags about his 1v1 win rate, like being a one-trick pony is something impressive.. he refuses any sort of real challenge and instead repeatedly plays against noob players to pad his stats to make himself look better.

looking at his ladder rating, I am sure he is good on that template. However being good at a single template is far from determining how good a person actually is. Someone that can take unique and unusual challenges and perform under pressure, that can adapt to situations, is a much better player than someone that can just regurgitate the same techniques over and again.

I love it that billy is so oldschool that he thinks anyone is impressed by stats.

billy had adequate time to deduce what I deduced in less than 5 minutes from his screen, which puts him in what he deemed to be an instant surrender position.

1. I couldn't see under the fog, as you can now.
2. I surrender later than almost everybody, I don't give up with even 0.00000000000001% chance to win.
3. I had identified a specific weakness of his, that I confirmed was correct, that I thought might help me make a comeback.

Even without all of those things, there is no need for his insulting, accusatory chat. And the implication of what was to come. Whenever people make references in chat like that to things that have been on the forum, they are a complete troll and are about to talk a bunch of shit in chat and on the forum. And I was right, that's exactly what he did.

I'm not seeing this game with LAWLZ that everyone is referencing... Could someone link the profile? And are we pretty for sure that this is not the same Lawlz as before?

I love it that billy is so oldschool that he thinks anyone is impressed by stats.

Yes, you're right, it's much better to be impressed by the hating ability people display on the forums. Yours is top notch. I'm very impressed.

Sometimes I delay and attack an enemy's stack with 2s last order knowing that he would move the stack to hit another territory. It's a good tactic if you are good at predicting.

I'm not seeing this game with LAWLZ that everyone is referencing... Could someone link the profile? And are we pretty for sure that this is not the same Lawlz as before?

Norman thinks it's cool to call CORP - LAWLZ. I know, it's unclear, unnecessary and nonsensical, but that's what he does for some reason.

dank memes m8 i r8 kek/8

This made me laugh.

Billy is my favorite warlight user and im pretty sure everyone loves him too. I think he should be announced as warlight king.

careful, haters will say you are my alt

Billy walsh,
1. the incomes given, 5-20 and 13-36 are the incomes you could easily of deduced through the fog, with what you had shown to have known at that point of the game.
as I stated, you could of easily deduced he had at least a 16 income, since he dropped 21 on your border the previous turn, and he captured a 4 turn bonus on that turn, giving him 20 income, while you had 5.
you had 13 armies, you could see 17 armies, you knew he had mexico due to your counter attacks, as well as the rest of E.asia and scandinavia, which would of brought the total armies up to 13-36.
those are the calculations a good player would of deduced via fog.. calculations that would of put it below the 0.000000001% you stated, since you stated how you believe under 50% income ratio and armies should be counted as a loss until otherwise stated.
5-20 is a 25% income ratio
13-36 is a 36% army ratio
It is however possible that in 2 days of thinking you didn't do these 5 minute calculations, and I would accept that you thought you still had a chance and were unaware of the situation, however that would require you to relinquish *greatest player on warlight* tag, since even mediocre players would have figured out the score.


he was too hasty to imply you were stalling, only 11 hours into the turn of your imminent defeat, and I would be willing to give you credit, had your immediate response to *please surrender I'm obviously going to win* wasn't *calm the fuck down* followed by as I've logically shown, is a false statement.

calculations that would of put it below the 0.000000001% you stated

Wrong. You probably surrender too early like almost everybody. And you're assuming he and I have equal skill when in actuality I'm far better. He also has a big weakness that hurts him in these spots. You add all of those together and I absolutely had a chance to win.

even mediocre players would have figured out the score

You just said I'm worse than a mediocre player, and you expect to have any credibility? You're a hater in different clothing. I did not give a fuck about the score. That's different than having an inability to calculate it. There were 2 minutes to go in the game and I knew I was down by a lot and would need several quick touchdowns and onside kick recoveries and you're telling me even a mediocre player would know they were down by 20 and not 17. I did not give a fuck about the scoreboard at that point. I would argue only a mediocre player like you would be focused on it, instead of the next touchdown.

Congrats to your 2026 rating btw, Billy. You have honestly beaten every Miezekatze Hunter player so far on your way to the top :(