Oh I talk about caring about people's livlihoods and you talk about not wanting to support people in democracy in case you maybe, might, possibly have to pay slightly more taxes in the case that they may, possibly we're not sure but it could happen ... need a bailout ...

And I'm a prat?

The irony is that I have paid taxes in the U.K and I'm happy to take the risk, (and you're a student - a recipient of my taxes) if the Scots vote for it (I'd rather they stayed) good for them that is democracy.

Fuck living my life and wanting others to do the same based on selfish fears of I may have to pay a tax in the future if they exercise there democratic right.

... And I'm a prat?

Edited 9/9/2014 21:23:05

I meant the Chancellor was a prat (you mentioned him depicting the issues I am describing). I don't consider you a prat Ska :) And I wouldn't resort to insults here anyway.

you're a student - a recipient of my taxes

No I am not (I am a student though).

I am no less selfish than the Scots voting Yes despite the inevitable turmoil. They're the ones who are making the silly point. They can continue to devolve. Don't separate suddenly!

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And not even that. You'd punish the entirety of the U.K that trades with Scotland just to prove that Scotland should never have left the U.K

Dude when you start working maybe you'll appreciate what people do for a living ... despite governments...

Scots would cause every one of these issues by voting Yes in order to get one over the UK/England/the Establishment.

It is their democratic right. We have taken money from Scotland for Aeons. If they decide to go it alone that is their choice and their choice only.

We have taken enough of their wealth. I highly doubt that when they get to keep it all they will fail economically.

(And ok I thought you were calling me a prat)

What, and they received nothing in return? Although it has been unfair due to the Westminster bubble, it does not mean they should split in a sudden and violent manner. They already started to devolve! Continue by all means and when it becomes less risky to split you can do so! And it remains unfair that it is the Scots democratic right for them to fuck over potentially the entire UK, as well as the people trading between them.

It is my democratic right to do all possible to prevent any financial harm reaching me.

Edited 9/9/2014 21:31:49

Arun ... really you don't know about how much historically England (has) and does take out of Scotland?

Really mate, you should probably not be commenting on this thread if you are not in possession of the full facts.

Edited 9/9/2014 21:33:44

Nobody here is in full possession of the full facts. If you were you could qualify how Scotland will not fail economically as a separate country. You can't sidestep my point on a single sentence hardly related to the discussion.

And anyway what right do you have to keep a Northumbrian, a Scot, an Irish or Corwnwallian person in the U.K?

You think because it hurts your wallet these people must kowtow to your thoughts of Union?

Don't be absurd.

Hardly related? The rebate has been central to Scottish / English relations for hundreds of years. If you won't read up on the subject how can you be expected to be taken seriously?

You think that in order to improve their sense of nationality, the actions of a few should risk the pockets of millions? Don't be absurd.

I guess money comes before democracy, right guys? Capitalism for life.

But ..but ... that's my point right?

I mean seriously man? I spoke about not hurting millions of Northerners to suit the punitive actions of the Westminster government ... so I don't see your point ... Unless you saw common sense and now don't think it's good to fuck over Brits.

When the democracy doesn't involve all affected in a fair way it shouldn't come first, no. Not saying that everyone should get a vote but somehow other people's opinions should be taken into account.

Ska, you complained of me being willing to fuck over Brits and ignored the fact that it's the yes vote that does that more so.

For Arun it does. Maybe I'll save up and send him $50 dollars on the condition that he starts to care more about other human beings more than possible future taxes ...

Edited 9/9/2014 21:45:47

Arun. SELF DETERMINATION it is a right that is much more important than fucking dollar pounds

Ska - set up a society of philanthropists and set up your own country. Otherwise, come up with an actual arguement I should pay for other people. I am not a minority. This is a capitalist society. Provide proof that others will pay for me in my times of turmoil and I will retract fully and accept you as a demi-god.

My self-determination is to protect myself, my family and to some extent my friends.

Edited 9/9/2014 21:47:55

You greedy self obsessed fool.

If that's how to remain comfortable, fine. Go dump your wages in some poxy charity box.