I'm not here to defend polygamy or incest though, but if you want to, then by all means do so, I won't stop you.

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/57372-lie-yourselves?Offset=0


no one will ever take anything 'serious' you say.

I'm not defending either of those. (As I stated in my last message....)

I'm pointing out that the same logic you're using to defend homosexuality is often used by the groups I mentioned. It's hypocritical for people to go around spouting, "Love makes it all ok!" but then shoot down others who use the same defense.

With every post you prove that you are too dumb to discuss with you.
Sorry to say but, quote little fragments of my message is not a way to construct proper argumentation, you are doing it wrong, try again.

I have discovered that, typically for a libtard your tactic (same goes to lgbt) is to turn things upside down and just lie, or citate some small fragments, add to it some general statement and make it look bad or worser than it's real meaning is. This is the next aspect on which you should work on before you decide to argue with someone.

But to not let your lie be recognized as a truth I will point out lies you made that you could probably done due to you being braindead or just a liar, can't really tell.

My first insult came after you called me a mentally ill and close minded, so as I said, you were the one that was insulting. If you do such things then you should take resposibility of what you say and be prepared that it can backfire at you. Maybe you don't care about that because internet gives you a feeling of being anonymous, I somehow believe that you wouldn't be so self-confident in real life. If you really call me an ignorant for using the same insult argument as you then you are just a hypocrite. Going with your thought process, you can do everything you can, but I can't. LOL. Silly boy. World is not working this way.

There is a huge difference between saying that someone got brainwashed and just calling someone mentally ill. If you don't see the difference - just as above, next proof of you being plain stupid. Facts are on my side and the way you described whole problem of lgbt and religion puts me in position to safely call you a person who is really brainwashed and next messages from you to call you a stupid person.
Just the fact that you believe in those lies is a reason to not consider you as a normal person.

How is "disgusting pervertions" or "sick dogmas" an insult for you? Those words are directed at ideology, not at the person. Even though you are quite dumb I can't believe you wouldn't realise that, so it guess that was just a failled attempt to try make a valid argument here.
Eventually I could be somehow taken as an insult, SOMEHOW, but only if you would be related with those ideologies. But then there is another problem. If you are related with it, you are obviously biased to the opposite views and as your opinion is relative and subiective your whole participation in this discussion is worthless and useless in the way you are doing it right now (Trying hard to show to religion is bad and how lgbt is fine and natural).

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I never said either of those were immoral, nor will I ever say that because I don't care what people do in their bedrooms or in public. If someone wants to marry multiple women, sure why not, I see no harm in it. Girl wants to marry her dog? I guess so, sure go ahead, how harmful can it really be? Guy wants to date his cousin? It's legal somewhere

With this post you again show your lack of elementary knowledge about these aspects. I guess: "People don't just "become" stupid, they're born that way."

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Hohenzollern, it is clear you are only looking to provoke. This is your last response from me.

Well Lawlz, at-least you're consistent (Unlike some other people out there) on this issue. I give solid respect for that.Since that's settled I'll switch off that method of arguing.

All the things I listed are immoral, but yet gay marriage has managed to slip through the cracks all by it's lonesome. It continues to shock me.

With this post you again show your lack of elementary knowledge about these aspects. I guess: "People don't just "become" stupid, they're born that way."

You are aware of the fact that you are saying that everyone who is lgtb is stupid?

But immoral to who? Immoral is on a personal level, what one person may find immoral, another may not. Be that as it may, all people deserve equal rights, and that's why I stand for lgbt.

On the topic of consistency, I'm not as consistent as you may think, because I still think otherkin and all the other tumblr crap is bullshit.

But immoral to who? Immoral is on a personal level, what one person may find immoral, another may not.

The fact that there are so many disagreements on right on wrong only furthers the need for a strong,central code. In some societies murder or rape is allowed under the right circumstances, it is ok to them, but not to us. Yet we seek to push our views on those things unto them because it's what must be done.

Society would eventually go into anarchy if left to it's own devices, that's why there needs to be somebody/something deciding right and wrong.

Side note, Otherkin is so out there I really don't even know what to say about it....

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And that is why we have democracy.

Eklipse, the only reason I disagree with otherkin is because it's associated with transgender. The identification of species difference is what really gets me. You have people like me trying to just be happy in life with hrt and etc, and then kids at like 15 saying they were born a dragon -_-

Hohenzollern, your argumentation is full with insults and polemic, since your first sentence in this thread. I dont know why you claim to be the only one with a proper argumentation or superior intelligence. Though, religiousness has never been a proof for intelligence or reason.

Anyway, I didn't said that two people loving each other is something wrong (except if they are the same gender, but I guess they anyway lost their humanity doing that, so it shouldn't be included) another proof of your retarded thought process.

So homosexuals arent human? could you pls elaborate your statement?

I guess I will be called a "nazi", "racist", homophobe"

no one did so, so far, but you are doing great to change this.

Love by itself is not valid defense for something. Polygamists claim that their relationships are full of love, yet polygamy is still banned. Certain people who partake an incest claim their relationships are full of love, yet incest is still banned or at-least severely frowned upon. People involved with bestiality will often cite love, yet bestiality is still banned.

Either all the things I listed need to be legalized, or the "It's ok because love!"excuse doesn't cut it.

Pls dont compare those things with homosexuality. It is by far not the same! Furthermore there is no need to change laws like those about incest and polygamy or pedophilia. Those dont intend to prevent people from loving each other. They rather intend to prevent violations in specific cases.

Facts are on my side and the way you described whole problem of lgbt and religion puts me in position to safely call you a person who is really brainwashed and next messages from you to call you a stupid person.
Just the fact that you believe in those lies is a reason to not consider you as a normal person.

I havent seen any facts from you, pointing out your position. could you possibly tell me why you believe to be right?

Pls dont compare those things with homosexuality. It is by far not the same! Furthermore there is no need to change laws like those about incest and polygamy or pedophilia. Those dont intend to prevent people from loving each other. They rather intend to prevent violations in specific cases.

I think you need to re-read the discussion I had with Lawlz. I don't think incest and polygamy should be legalized (And I never even mentioned pedophilia, where did you get that from?), I'm also quite aware that they all aren't the same. However, it is true that defenders of gay marriage and defenders of polygamy/incest/bestiality all commonly use love as a primary defense. It's hypocritical of society at large that LGBTs can get away with that defense but the other groups I mentioned don't. (I will re-iterate, I don't support gay marriage nor polygamy or whatever else listed. However I hate the lack of consistency with the status-quo)

Lawlz, is otherkin meant to be some kind of political satire against transgenders or are these people actually serious with what they're saying? (Please tell me it's the former....how the heck could you be "born a dragon"?)

I like how Lawlz makes this thread in order to defend himself for his Nazi ways.

Eklipse, I really dont need to re-read it. I got your point this why I added pedophilia. I also know that you wont change those laws. I just wanted to point out, that you are comparing crimes with sexual orientation. Im sorry if I havent made that clear enough for you....

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It's entirely serious, and it only hurts the arguments of LGBT that much more. Along with Otherkin comes demisexual, pansexual, omnisexual, homoromantic, etc etc etc. They've basically made a joke of everything we're trying to get rights for.

A new joke that I read:

I like AK-47s. I love AK-47s. I'm getting some transplants today. Soon, I'm going to turn into an SPAS-12. Then, we can mate.

Stop saying that's gross; your being gun fearful. Gunfearer.

Ranek, gay marriage is a crime in some places, in others it's been decriminalized. People who want to decriminalize the things I mentioned use similar methods as those who want to decriminalize gay marriage. It is a valid comparison, I don't understand your confusion.

along with Otherkin comes demisexual, pansexual, omnisexual, homoromantic, etc etc etc.

People love making new terms for themselves to try and feel unique. Oh, and don't forgot the wave of false claims about being asexual. (I know some people really are, but they're pretty much in a giant shadow of the people who aren't but claim to be.)

Also, my reaction when people try to legitimately state they were born a mythical creature...