WHITE POWER!

PANDA POWER! CUZ WE ARE BLACK AND WHITE AND ASIAN ! SO FUCK WHITES FUCK BLACKS FUCK ASIANS!

Edited 5/8/2015 19:09:34

What a funny thread.
First glance OP is trolling hard. Then he goes on to insult pretty much everyone no matter what they wrote.
And then someone actually proves that he kinda had a point about the whole racism thing after all by going all "don't listen to jewish science, think with your own precious large white brains!!!111".

That panda tho <3

It seems almost everybody here doesn't accept the fact that for example black people, because they are good example have smaller brains ~10%. And tell me the number of black noblists, black physicists.

Just watch this pls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R-hTToDRzs

Also, I am not racist. Racism means hating other races. Stating facts about other races is not equal to hating them.

America is dumbing down... Oops, sorry it's already dumb! The western culture is putting shit to your heads and this is the effect.

Hope there will be someone to reply seriously in the serious thread...

Racial differences do exist, wake up!

First of all- I am white and I despise racism of any kind. I have very strong opinions on Eric Garner, Ferguson, Baltimore and related cases.

berdan131- repeatedly stating the fact that black people are, no matter how scientifically, not as intelligent as white people, will just make you sound more racist. No need to state those facts.

I do not believe that the OP is a troll. I believe that at least some of their concerns are valid. But they are calling for the death of Warlight. This is clearly far too extreme of a solution in a situation where there only seems to be a small racist group affecting a small black group. My thoughts below:

1. You never needed to reveal your race in the first place. There are many Warlight players out there who don't give a shit about other peoples' race. On the internet, it is easy to remain largely anonymous, and this is one of those cases in which you should have taken advantage of this, if racism was a concern for you.
2. As many others have stated, blacklisting/reporting offensive behavior is a great way to avoid anyone who might be racist. If you don't do this, nor provide instances in which you've encountered this behavior, your argument becomes invalid and people are likely to believe you're trolling.
3. When you, specifically, converse with people on Warlight, you tend to be quite hostile and use a lot of offensive language. With the Warlight community being this small, your reputation among it will become poor and it will respond to you with the same kind of language.
4. For the sole fact that I am not directly siding with the OP, and with the current trend, I will be cussed at and called a white supremacist. If so, then you are blind and there's no point in having this conversation anymore.

Edited 5/8/2015 22:25:55

Just now I read the posts of Kentucky, and now I must say I understand the problem. I was direspectful for him, because I thought he was just throwing stupid things and say ridiculous words at problems which are not trivial and this irritaded me.

So, after reading this my conclusions:

The western society is "based on anti-black principles". This is not true. Black people, or asian, or white are treated the same by law. The rules do not discriminate people of African origin. For hurting Afro-American you get the same punishment as for hurting white.

If there is racism among American society, it is because society is racist. But THE RULES are not racist. The PRINCIPLES are not. But I say, there should be no punishment for racist people. As long as they don't hurt black people, it is fine to be racist. Why? You have a freedom of word, a freedom of opinion and you can think what you wish. If someone insults black people, it's only the problem of people who insult, he has a problem with himself.

"Racial inequality". It's a stupid idea. Kentucky, you think that black earn too little? Maybe racial inequality in income? If they earn less, it is because they aren't able to earn more, no one forbids them but it is only their responsibility for their income and these people shouldn't blame anyone.

This is my opinion: In power should be people who are smart, who can manage the society well. Successful working class should be cheap, not necessary smart. History has shown that when working, poor class overtook by revolution the power, it only leads to chaos and economic collapse.
Example: Soviet Union, intellectuals killed, workers in power, people get even poorer.
Example 2: RPA, black working class finally gets into power and detrones white governors. Unemployment skyrockets. Poverty increases.

Don't call for revolution, if black people are excluded from politics, maybe they are not trusted enought to take governance over a country. And for a good reason: see obama, the worst president in US history.

I don't want to sound too racist, I say all this things as a response to describe how it really is, in response to Kentucky thread and to show that he is so wrong. I don't like this topic, but I want to show the truth: the truth is black people create mostly poverty by themselves.

I agree but that police officers should tread equally black and white and be less violent and more controlled, maybe.

Gonna be perfectly honest. If you don't post a picture of yourself as your profile avatar, how am I supposed to know I should disregard your opinions? :q

It's the quality of one's posts that define the demeanor by which I address you.

Again, for Captain Phrenology (although Angry Panda, your post is funny. I have to acknowledge that. I'm glad we're in the same clan.):

There's a reason people get degrees in biology. It's because there's a large knowledge base involved and a certain set of analytic skills needed- something that goes beyond analyzing basic diagrams of evolution.

Moreover, your understanding of evolution is clearly flawed- humans didn't "evolve from" apes (not monkeys). Evolution is a process by which populations diverge/split and become genetically incompatible due to reproductive isolation- we share a common ancestor with apes, but aren't directly descended from modern ape populations. Evolution, moreover, is the process by which a population adapts to specific circumstances- it's not a scenario of simply getting "better."

But as for a direct refutation of that prong, consider the evolution of the dog from the grey wolf (which you might have noticed had you read that Smithsonian article). Modern dogs are far more socially capable than the grey wolf, by all metrics they are "smarter", but their brains are significantly smaller. In fact, it's likely that synapse density is a better predictor of intelligence than brain or skull size/shape. Moreover, as for your elephants being bigger argument:

1. It's already been addressed. Skull size in relation to body size is still not a good predictor of intelligence. Read my first post on the subject.

2. Modern humans are also much bigger than H. habilis. That means your diagram is bullshit by your own argument.

On your side you've got one diagram; on mine I've got decades upon decades of research demonstrating how the relationship between skull size is far more complex than what your primary school diagram demonstrates.

Finally, for the other prong of your argument- that Africans have smaller skull size than other races:

1. All studies on this topic have been cast into doubt for their methodology. They can't even agree on results.

2. These studies also fail to control for a host of factors, primarily epigenetic factors like environmental ones.

It's very tough to reason about racial genetics based on just analyzing output in this area- for example, if you'd studied Dutch bones 200 years ago, you would've concluded that the Dutch are naturally very, very short (the shortest people in Europe!). However, an analysis of the Dutch today would reveal that they are naturally very, very tall. This is because environmental factors- like availability of economic resources (which is clearly an issue for most global black populations)- have a huge impact on the expression of genes.

I understand that you like to be a freethinker, and I think that's great. However, one of the things that's most important to understand is how little one understands- it's very easy to overestimate how well you understand a field (like evolutionary biology) when you understand so very little of it- so easy, in fact, that there's a documented name for the effect- the Duning-Kruger Effect. I'd encourage you to read a bit more on evolution, and especially understand why phrenology is a junk science. I understand that you've spent a significant amount of time thinking about it/looking at pretty pictures on the topic, but there's been a substantial amount of research dedicated to this. Moreover, even just pretending that science is all about thinking- you haven't been able to dedicate your entire life to this research, but other people have- so I'd recommend you look at their results as well before simply ignoring them and repeating your own claims. Good luck.

berdan- I disagree with a lot of what you said.

Black people, or asian, or white are treated the same by law. The rules do not discriminate people of African origin. For hurting Afro-American you get the same punishment as for hurting white.
If there is racism among American society, it is because society is racist. But THE RULES are not racist. The PRINCIPLES are not.

This, I agree with, though. The law does not promote racism. But the society IS racist. It's a problem we've been dealing with ever since the arrival of black people to America back in eighteen-something. Just take a look at the recent police brutality cases.

"Racial inequality". It's a stupid idea. Kentucky, you think that black earn too little? Maybe racial inequality in income? If they earn less, it is because they aren't able to earn more, no one forbids them but it is only their responsibility for their income and these people shouldn't blame anyone.
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I don't want to sound too racist, I say all this things as a response to describe how it really is, in response to Kentucky thread and to show that he is so wrong. I don't like this topic, but I want to show the truth: the truth is black people create mostly poverty by themselves.

The black population's poverty rate has always been much higher than the white poverty rate- and you're saying that blacks are unable to get good income because of...what? Sure, african americans generally tend to be slightly less intelligent than whites- and that's because during slavery, blacks were bred to be strong, not smart. But we can fix this by funding black-dominant schools, right? After all, those schools are given the least amount of resources. But racism won't allow that. Therefore, impoverished blacks have america to blame, not themselves. They can't help it.

Don't call for revolution, if black people are excluded from politics, maybe they are not trusted enought to take governance over a country. And for a good reason: see obama, the worst president in US history.

Either you are very racist or you blindly follow the republican party. Obama is not a terrible president, there have been far worse presidents than him, but that is another topic for another time

Don't call for revolution, if black people are excluded from politics, maybe they are not trusted enought to take governance over a country. And for a good reason: see obama, the worst president in US history.

Not trusted enough... by white voters? You do realise that tells us nothing about their ability to govern; it might simply mean white people are terrible at judging governing skill? (Given how American presidential elections are usually close to 50/50, that means consistently almost half of the population votes for the worse candidate...)

The worst President? Oh sure, if we forget people like Nixon (who resigned just in time before going into history as the first impeached president and should have been the first (ex-)president to go to jail), Ford (who's pardoned Nixon... and became the first President in over a century to have to testify before Congress), Bush Jr. (who, the first time around, got elected by the Supreme Court instead of by the People and his "second" election made each and every single person on the planet without an American passport completely and utterly lose faith in the ability of American voters to tell a proven idiot from a credible Presidential candidate) and probably quite a few more I forgot because I don't know too much about American politics.
Also, how about you give some reasons why you consider Obama a bad president. And don't just shout "Obamacare", articulate why you think it's a bad system... you know, to safeguard against the possibility you're just repeating after Fox Propaganda (or Fox "News" as they call themselves) but don't really know what you're talking about.

And even if Obama were a bad president, one black president screwing up does not, in any way, shape or form, mean that all black people would make bad presidents. To show the utter brokenness of your reasoning, let's forget about black and white and talk about grey for a bit. Let's make a special kind of zoo, one which only has grey animals. Of course the giraffes ("white presidents")can get in, because at first we're not paying any attention at all. Then suddenly, for the first time, we see an animal other than a giraffe, an elephant wants to join our zoo. Well, of course we can't have that, elephants are not fit for a grey-animal-only zoo and for a good reason: see the least grey animal in animal history.
This reasoning is, from a logical point of view, exactly as valid as your reasoning about Obama; you have two choices, either agree that my reasoning is broken (and admit your reasoning is likewise broken), or keep supporting your own reasoning and state that you find my reasoning to make perfect sense too (what that will do to your credibility is a different matter, of course).

Anyone calling for the death of Warlight, on a Warlight forum is obviously a troll. gg.

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The original topic:

Watch - http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/07/opinion/a-conversation-about-growing-up-black.html?_r=1

RvW, I agree much with what you said, Fox "News" is not news, but an extension of the Republican Party spewing racism and sexism, also fear mongering about how America is "at war with religion (which Republicans have integrated into government)", also how gay people "threaten the establishment of marriage(I mean, wtf? If Jesus were working at a Starbucks, would he turn down service to gay people, like in Indiana?)", How Obamacare is "wrecking America (evidence, please), and how "Obama is the worst president ever (Nixon)". Your comments about Bush are hilarious af, sadly you didn't all about Dick Cheney. Bardan, not trusted, really? You are just plain racist. Kentucky, I assure you if you join my games I will not allow racism towards you, or anyone else. If there's one thing I can't stand its intolerance (I'm aware of that irony).

RvW- You just got all that shit figured out in one fell swoop: Fox Propaganda/"News"! (whichever name you prefer) Most people who get into political debates about obama/obamacare just repeat the shit they hear from Fox, and actually know very little about the subject.

Kentucky- This video does nothing for your point except prove that racism exists. Nobody is denying that racism exists.

Andrew- Yep, you got it all down too. If most of the Republican party/Fox News followers actually thought for themselves and didn't blindly follow their group, this country would be a lot more Democratic.

Edited 5/9/2015 13:07:30

@Epicular You say you disagree with some of my statements. That's right, but this is just my opinion. You have a right to disagree.

@RvW

You mentioned a bit different matter. About the voters. So, I don't judge whether white voters do make good or bad decisions. 1 black vote = 1 white vote. Whites have more power because there is more of them and its natural. Again, I don't like to make distinction between black and white, because we are all people, but the topic requires to use this distinction.

Different people are different for good things. Some are good at running a business and others at being a group's leaders. I think that it's not that black people are terrible governors. But in my opinion very often white people are better at managing society's resources and policy.

@knyte

Skull size in relation to body size is only good predictor of intelligence, if we compare animals of SIMILAR SIZES. Then it is a good indicator, and that's my EQ diagram. But to make it realistic, we can only compare with animals of weight +/- 40% our body mass, I guess. Without such high EQ, I don't think we would make into space. Three things matter: brain size, body size and brain to body ratio.

How should I react to your argument with dog and wolf? Wolf has bigger brain, which gives him advantage, BUT he is bigger which puts him in disadvantage. Why? Because the bigger you are, the more brain volume you "waste" just for managing and functioning your body. Therefore cow's need big brains, to control all their cells. Also, think about dog and wolf brain to body ratio.

Finally, yes, its all which we say about is hard to prove and measure. Therefore, we will have different opinions and we cannot prove one another is wrong. It's convenient to give your arguments stating correlation doesn't exist but I believe you are 90% wrong, only I cannot prove it.

Did you watch my youtube video btw?



We have 3 problems: First is negative attitude towards black, which Kentucky is concerned about. This one can only be solved by education and awareness. No one can force people to have opinions. Consider movie stars, famous and loved, and average nerdy IT students. These students are ignored by most society, they are considered boring and have few friends maybe, but are not adored. There is inequality of attitude between move stars and nerdy guys. And NOTHING can be done about this. I am sure some black people are famous, popular and not-hated.

Second is police violence towards one group of people and this is unacceptable, but its hard to solve. I suggests solutions which Kentucky mentioned, but not revolution.

The last, poverty.
Normal people are put in poverty BECAUSE OF AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AND UNJUST LAWS. Its true. Laws are in favour of big corporations and forbid people to work, to earn, to make a living. The major reasons are: too strict regulations for trade which makes common people don't meet them and are forbid to sell things. CAN I SELL EGGS, OR MEAT OR POTATOES OR BREAD OR ICE CREAM which I produced on my own, in my home? I FUCKING CANNOT. The cops will forbid me unless I meet all stupid bureaucratic regulations such as sanitory, manufacturing, 100% sterilized conditions. This puts in favour big corporations who are easily able to meet this regulations. Can I sell even a natural milk without pasterisation? I doubt it.

Let's assume I want to hire a black worker. The minimum hour wage is 7$ per hour. But I want him for 4$ per hour. What happens? I cannot hire him for 4$ legally, so he ends up unemployed and DOES NOT EARN A FUCKING CENT PER HOUR. Unemployment rises. Poverty rises.

This is all states fault.

Obama cannot solve any of these problems because he is a dumb president which indebted american nation as high as no president before him ever had, and all this jerky president can do is smile and spend money earned by hard-working americans. Obama will not solve poverty by funding benefits. It only hides problem and makes debt higher.

Epicular you said about school policy. This is kinda extensive topic and in my opinion, schools should not be compulsory. Also, is it really true that color determines the funding for a school? I deeply doubt it is true. Maybe students results influence school's fundings?

@Andrew
Yes, this is my opinion that majority of black people are incompetent politicians. It doesn't mean there are not few outstanding black politicians, much better than whites average? It is due to differences. I believe in racial differences. Not in hating other races.

So fuck you, you don't know what racism mean.