Technically you aren't correct Rogue. Yes, Aldehyde is the overwhelming favourite to win the French Brawl tournament single handedly but there is still a potential for a 3-way tie.

If Thanatos D. Ven wins their last two games they finish 4-1, so does Aldehyde and Hunta which cannot be broken. Based on the games I've seen Aldehyde should win their last game making this all moot, but I am not calling a tournament winner until Aldehyde finishes their last game.

And yes, ME SR will be determined by the ppface vs. Chromeo game.

Edited 7/12/2016 18:58:55

My bad. I didn't consider that.

And I forgot that ppface also needs to win against tartan.

Edited 7/12/2016 19:01:21

Yeah, both are quite likely to be M'Hunters wins but until its unequivocal, I don't declare winners.

Thanks for the analysis Norman , I still have an awful lot to learn :(

Double post sorry , anyway good updates GeEx a smige behind Knytes but you can't be perfect :D

Edited 7/14/2016 00:10:13

Week 4 Summary:

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Another week done, another week closer to Division C finishing. And as the division furthest along in the season, 66.67% of games are completed, but about half of points up in the air the race for C has formed. About 92.2% of 1v1 games, 40% of 2v2 games, and 30% of 3v3 games have finished. At this pace, Division C should finish months ahead divisions A and B. I guess we will have more time to practice for next season?

But onto the update!




The only clan movers this week is BIA passing Hydra as both clan continue their wobble back and forth around each other. The race is tight, (Note: LEA is surrendering a Great Lakes game to Hydra which will raise Hydra to 65 points today) points, max points, win rate are all effectively tied. Now, you may ask why do I care about Hydra and BIA? Well no one else in this clan is making it interesting so I have absolutely nothing to work with here. Is it a flaw that the promotion and relegation spots were very obvious who would get them and that no one is challenging them? Perhaps. But I have nothing else to talk about right now then to be a little selfish and talk about Hydra for awhile.

So the gap between 2nd and 3rd widened this week as VS and M'Hunters continued to dominant the division. Division C clearly contains few clans that belong here. VS and M'Hunters are passing through, LEA should be Division E, CORP, Hydra and BIA all belong here. 3 out of 6 (its supposed to be 7), that is rather sad. And is why the CLOT ladder for Clan League can't come soon enough. Essentially the ladder will let VS and M'Hunters move away from clans that can't compete with them, and its allows LEA to sink to their rightful rank rather then this slow decline they have going on.



So maybe I should talk about the actual division results now. M'Hunters (3-1) and VS (4-1) this had the best results by far, followed by typical middling by positive results for BIA (6-4) and Hydra (3-2). CORP which continues a negative win rate (3-5) as the boots this season are wrapping up, and LEA (0-6) continues losing games for 12 straight days. Maybe LEA can get 25 points this season. That's a strong maybe.

Overall, the win rate graph below you can see trends have emerged that seem to suggest that how clans performed in 1v1s are largely holding up in team games. Clan are wobbling only a few percentage points up or down, back and forth. Instead of #Division B-oring, C has turned into the boring, predictable division.



Great Expanse's Ramblings:

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Now, I'm going to end this talking about Hydra and not act as scorekeeper for a bit. There is legitimate criticism of Hydra that the clan isn't performing and that they should be stronger and competing more with other clans this season. I have defended Hydra to several people and I want to publicly explain things in one large post so everyone understands.

There has been questions about our lineup and why some people were included or not picked. The most frequent example used is why HotBeachBum isn't playing ME SR. This one I feel like I made the right call on. HotBeachBum never seemed interested in playing in Clan League. His focus is on the 1v1 ladder. A Hydra tournament he played in on MME SR, a template he knows how to play exceptionally well, was rather lackluster. So, people say I had to put him on ME SR, but would he have put in the effort for Clan League like for the 1v1 ladder? Maybe not. The Clan League lineup is about putting players I can trust to win games. So ppface, a player I trusted to compete, seemed like the logical choice over HotBeachBum. Look at CORP, Quicksand, another good MME SR player, was put on ME SR and was booted in 2 games. You really only should put players you know and trust in Clan League. Other errors in the lineup like HankyPinky on Gurioma I accept that as my fault.

Next there is a view that with Hydra merging Illuminati and AWF that we should have been doubly strong as our D1 and D2 results. But the people are missing the point of the merger, Illuminati and AWF were exceptionally weak after Clan League ended, why else would we merge? It is because both clans were hemorrhaged talent towards the end and in between seasons. So, saying Illuminati + AWF = unstoppable force isn't correct. Months were needed to set up the clan and get things moving. If Clan League happened later, Hydra would have had the time to prepare better. If you want an analogy for this, look at 101st. If Clan League started when I predicted in March 101st was still rebuilding at that time and probably would be in a weaker state season 8 then they currently are. I'm only arguing that timing wasn't great this season for Hydra which sucks and we're living with the consequences.

Obviously there were errors in the Hydra lineup where people should go, getting them ready, and I own that problem. This is only my second time making a lineup and I'm still inexperienced with it. And it was only my first time making a lineup for Hydra. Consider Hydra a new clan, only we are Division C, not E. Growing pains are to be expected.

I hope I didn't bore you with my ramblings.

Edited 7/14/2016 21:31:39

Great update, thank you!

A few notes.

1. Division C moves faster than A and B because in A and B they go on Vacation and here in C we just take the boots.

2. Four weeks in and Hydra has yet to win a 3v3. I haven't looked into it much so I don't know if it is a lack of skill or they started with hard opponents but if they want to continue to challenge BIA then they will have to rack up some points in that category. I don't see Hydra promoting without as many 3v3 wins as BIA.

3. Great update as always.

Woohoo! I was mentioned!

GeEx

Nice updates GeEx! Congrats on your new name!

We in VS are always quiet. We tend to prefer our play and our results to do the talking. I do feel that perhaps we are getting a reputation as stand-offish a bit or that maybe we might perceived as not overly friendly. I want to dispel that. We love warlight, we love the challenges and we love to chat in games. We don't like to get in war of words and aren't necessarily the clan that will go around trumpeting our play (except in inter-clan battles. In those we are merciless with each other).

I personally would like to thank Great Expanse for the updates. Especially the last couple. This Clan League format is a lot of fun.

I would also like to say is I am very impressed with M'Hunters play. They are clearly a very worthwhile opponent and we as a clan recognize this. VS are of course still planning to do everything we can to overtake them before the end of the season. How is that for some VS smack talk? Best I can do.

Good luck everyone!!

@Darren

The fact that guys of team VS don't make fools of themselves on forums, don't say rude stuff and don't troll in general don't make them unfriendly to me but on the contrary, they give me a good impression of the clan. I am pretty sure other people think like me.

Keep it team VS!

@Rogue Nickoli Krogius, I haven't been concerned about Hydra's 3v3 record because it really isn't bad. We are (0-2) on 3v3 EU, and that's about it. We've lost 2 games against M'Hunters and CORP. The EU M'Hunters team I knew we would lose and the CORP game was a disappointment. Add to that Hydra just won a game on Great Lakes so we are (1-2) on 3v3s now. M'Hunters and VS are winning the majority of the games so far, meaning everyone else is going to have a number of loses. I am not concerned about our 3v3 performance.

@Darren, I have had almost zero interaction with VS in my 1 1/2 years on warlight. Add to that this quote I've read on your clan page:

We are not about growing the VS Clan just for the sake of growing it. We are always willing to add new members if they seem well suited to our philosophy, and if we like them. So, if you want to join, get to know one (or more) of us. All prospective members must be sponsored by an existing member, and that only happens if you know them well. It may take time, but once you are a member of VS, you will see that it was totally worth it...

That clan page recruitment statement is very closed down and don't want people to apply. I gives off a standoff-ish vibe that VS are only concerned with themselves. I may have played 1 or 2 games against VS and the extent of the interaction was 'gg'. I'm not saying what I dislike VS at all, you are a very level headed clan, but its as it you are a ghost sometimes or lack a personality.

@Benoit, you know VS better then me since you play games with a few VS players. This just an outsiders opinion of the clan. Being quiet like VS comes across as being isolationist.

Edited 7/15/2016 13:37:07

Isolationist is my second name! =D

I actually know a lot of VS members, from before VS even existed. I played a lot of RT games with them, mostly with my alt Windows 10/Blightsteel, and also ran into them in a lot of tournaments (especially RoR).

Edited 7/15/2016 19:29:59

By the way I love the RoR map, I think it would be great to use it as a 3v3 template for the next CL (I'm not sure who chooses the templates).

Change it then! I am tired of your name : p

@Python nice, I love ROR too! Only clans of division A vote tho :(

Well you should be there next season so make it happen :)

We just got 4 boots losts tho recently :(. If 101st gets in A, be assured that I'll try everything I can to get a good ROR template 3v3 in!!

I don't like much the fact that only division A can vote on the templates as many other clans depend on the voting process but I can understand why it is like that. It can give an extra incentive to try to get into division A to be able to vote for the definitive templates to be used. I have heard though that some clans in division A are more tempted to vote strategically (meaning, voting for the templates that gives them an advantage over an other clan of division A) rather than vote for the coolest template available. I think for now only the coolest templates should be voted in but who knows, I might change my opinion if 101st gets in Division A lol.

Edited 7/16/2016 00:07:39