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Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/14/2017 18:14:37

Mike
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@ Ben (and Ollie) I never took this analysis so seriously, it was just an add on to Min's already awesome updates from a different point of view.

When you talk about "blames" to players, this is not the way i see it and I would like to apology to them if I offended them as my point was a hint to clans on what they could improve for next season, a bit like sport analysts do on live TV if you like.
I would never say this player is not good whatsoever, that would be totally irrelevant, especially coming from me who would lose against any of them.
I just felt interesting to see and point where each clans did very well or under performed particularly, and did name players involved, but like you explained better than me Ben, as for me this was implicit but you're right to mention it, reasons can be numerous (chemistry in team games, feel to the template, practice of the template, quality of opponent, mood / shape of the moment for the player, boots and substitutions that I didnt investigate at all, and so on).

So tl dr, let's just say this is not supposed to be taken seriously (that's why it was done in like only 1hr), let's wait for Min's if he still plans to do it :-), whom I can wish all the best in advance considering the time and effort I've put in it which is nothing compare to a full analysis, and bad comments you take if your analysis doesn't fit with the audience feelings.
Now just tell me if I should as well just delete it :-/

Edited 5/14/2017 18:18:50
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/14/2017 18:50:04

Ollie 
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I would never say this player is not good whatsoever


Maybe its just me but seems thats exactly what you just implied about Orascio. None of the auto-losses were his fault so its just bad luck for him.

A quick look at stats tells us player with the worst record seems to be Orascio (0-4 on Deadmans)


So GG may benefit next season from either training more or replacing Orascio


Its nice if people take time to make analysis but if you are going to name specific people who 'hurted' their clans chances then at least check if those people were actually responsible for the damage done. Otherwise don't name specific people and just say the team has not performed well (which is without any doubt true)

Edited 5/14/2017 18:52:02
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/14/2017 19:04:30


Min34 
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I wanted to write an update this evening, but Krunx took all my time away! Blame him!

Anyways, update will come tomorrow!
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/14/2017 19:15:56


Onoma94
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But orascio is clearly the worst player in div B. He didn't even play a single game!
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/14/2017 20:06:50

Mike
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Ollie I dont know Orascio, I didn't even review his games or gameplay, I would never say that, as well as I would never say that about my clanmates who are amazing players even though they may have struggled on a specific template. I agree with you confusion stands though so again apologies to players involved as this was clearly not the point :-/

Basically idea to name players came from analysing SNinja performance which I started with, where contrast exists between the players named and I felt the clan suffered from such choice, while this does not necessarily mean anything about actual level of players involved.
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/14/2017 21:29:08


DarrenDieHard 
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Mike: thank you for taking the time to add some colour to the division. Min does an awesome job, but it's always good to hear from others. I appreciated it and yes I do agree with others that naming weak or strong players might not have been the best path.

That being said, everyone please chill out a bit. I am CERTAIN that there was no ill will meant by Mike and his intentions were pure. He took some time to do some analysis and I for one appreciated it even if I didn't agree with everything he said. That is the nature of colour commentary and opinions, you are allowed to be "wrong".

I hope this backlash doesn't prevent others from stepping up and providing some much needed commentary on the division.

In short: good job Mike, thanks for doing it, and hopefully you will take feedback into account for next time.

Oh and one more thing Mike: MHunters are going down!! Man this is a tight race for promotion.
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/15/2017 09:15:44


Sherlock Holmes
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Mike: problem here is because you named Orascio specifically : A quick look at stats tells us player with the worst record seems to be Orascio (0-4 on Deadmans)

You probably got his name from the line-up, so you could have checked the games(at-least substitution). Seems like they had a player who went inactive(real life probs??) and so they had boot/non-join losses.

For Promotion, MH have to win all remaining games-which is kind of hard when VS(2 games with MH) and GG(1 game with MH) are also competing for promotion. On other hand, GG looks dominating and VS is bit comfortable than MH. Other four clans may be out of promotion race, but they still can influence the promotion-if they win games with these 3 clans.
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/15/2017 12:00:16


90 \(ºº)/
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recheck your calculations my dear Watson :p

90
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/15/2017 15:46:03

Mike
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Thank you Darren at least one person understood me :-) and yeah I did a "quick" and partial analysis only to give ideas, inspiring from what's done in division A, hoping more of this kind would come too (but it's a big job so no worries if nobody can, but if Min can't, I dont think he has exclusivity on update, anybody may help, that was the idea).
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/15/2017 16:59:28


Sherlock Holmes
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which calculations 90:why i wrote MH have to win all remaining games for promotion?

MH
-> has 1v1 Guiroma with GG.
-> has 3v3 EU and will have 1v1 strat me with SNinja.
-> has 3v3 Dror with VIW.
-> has 1v1 strat me and will have 1v1 AE with VS.
-> has 1v1 strat me, greece and AE with WG.

VS and GG have 3(2 ongoing+1 to be created)games where they play against each other. Even after losing 1 or 2 games, GG will be marching for promotion(strong), but for MH 1 loss will bring max points down and widen the gap between 2nd spot and them. I wish i could spend more time writing big analysis or bring out various possibilities(I am leaving it to MathWolf-if he is reading this :P ), but then it is good to win all remaining games and get max points.

Ofc, there is no guarantee that VS wins all their remaining games to surpass MH and get promoted, as the later part of Div.B shows that MH had a great comeback(remember some even teased that Norman settled for Div.B).
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/15/2017 17:29:02


90 \(ºº)/
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lol I was just being pedantic - pedantically, MH can lose all their remaining games and there is still a nonzero probability of promotion. So the word "have to" is misleading. Of course it would be nice to not lose all games :p.

90
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/15/2017 19:08:37


Math Wolf 
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Sorry to disappoint you Sherlock, but I currently cannot find the time to write out all 274877906944 remaining possibilities.
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/16/2017 17:59:08


Sherlock Holmes
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^^
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/17/2017 19:22:57


Min34 
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Update 17-05-2017

Everything went exactly like scheduled! I swear I planned for things to go this way!!




Finished games

In the past week 12 games finished.






Tournaments

Deadman's RoR
Emu Pub, Melethron and fifi (MH) defeated Donutz, Le Count H and Carlos Danger (VIW)
rakleader, Timtimie and <SNinja> KirbyBIGRIG (SNinja) defeated Piper, Febo and DrummingManiac (BIA)


Final Earth 2v2
rakleader and <SNinja> KirbyBIGRIG (SNinja) defeated ChrisCMU and Mirror (WG)


2v2 China
AI and 90\(ºº)/ (MH) defeated Ko and FlyingBender (GG)


2v2 GuiRoma
Mayor Sonnen and Private Pabse (VS) defeated Emu Pub and 90\(ºº)/ (MH)
verzus and Ilpeggiore (VIW) defeated DrummingManiac and Robert E Lee (BIA)


Strat Greece
Smileyleg (WG) defeated AI (MH)


Elitist Africa
Botanator (BIA) defeated vicnus (VS)
Jaymer (SNinja) defeated AWOL GIs AJ (VIW) after VIW got booted.


Phobia
Andersault (WG) defeated Acrid (SNinja)


Strat ME
rlhull6 (BIA) defeated MoOoOoOoO (VIW) after VIW got booted
Mike (GG) defeated Acrid (SNinja)




Finished Tournaments

Final Earth 2v2
The first tournament has finished! Final Earth was an exciting tournament with two amazing teams fighting for the top spot! This is how it ended:

1st: MIFRAN and EZPickens of GG with a record of 6-0
2nd: rakleader and <SNinja> KirbyBIGRIG of SNinja with a record of 5-1
3rd: vicnus and Rocky1 of VS with a record of 4-2
4th: AI and Emu Pub of MH with a record of 3-3
5th: ChrisCMU and Mirror of WG with a record of 2-4
6th: Bigby and [DragoN] SeruM of BIA with a record of 1-5
7th: AIRNewbie and MoOoOoOoO of VIW with a record of 0-6

Congratulations to MIFRAN and EZPickens for winning the tournament. Not only did they win, they actually sweeped the tourney! Very impressive! GG should be pleased with this result.

Good job to rakleader and Kirby for getting second. Its probably a much better result than what they expected. Their 5-1 record will be useful for SNinja to avoid relegation.

Both VS and MH did well, with the game between these two teams deciding who got 3rd and who 4th.

BIA unfortunatly dropped the ball on this one. Their only won game comes from VIW and its a bootwin. Not the result BIA was hoping for, nor the result that will help them avoid relegation.

VIW got plagued by non-joins. This didnt contribute to their record in a positive way. Their winless record is obviously not a good thing. Maybe they couldve gotten some points had they actually joined all their games. Better luck next time!




clans

GG
GG had a very calm week. They went 1-1 and now stand at 36-15. This still puts them in first place. They are also the clan that has the most games left to play! This means GG still can get a lot of points. Its looking good for them!

MH
HM follows GG's lead and also ends with an even score. They go 2-2 this week and now stand at 40-19. They have by far the most points, but also have the least amount of games remaining. Due to this, they are the first clan that can no longer finish outside of the top 3. But this, of course, isnt enough! They are still in a tight battle for the promotionspots!

VS
VS is still in third. They also have an even score as they went 1-1 the past week. Their total record now stands at 35-19. They are still very close to the promotionspots! Whilst the group is slowly getting to an end, it seems the competition continues fiercly!

WG
WG has a good week and goes 2-1. Their total record now is 28-25. This means that they are now mathematically no longer able to take first place. Nor are they able to relegate. Congrats to WG for avoiding relegation! Although looking at the top 3, it is very likely we will see WG in group B next season.

SNinja
SNinja tries to pull away from BIA. They go 3-2 this week. This puts them at 23-34 in total. They are no longer able to finish in the top 3. They havent avoided relegation yet though, so they need to keep on winning!

BIA
BIA needs to win as much as possible. Relegation is closing in on them! Their 2-2 result this week, whilst not bad, isnt what they hoped for. They now stand at 21-39. The best possible outcome for their season is 5th. All other places are already unreachable.

VIW LOCKED
VIW goes 1-3 to have the only negative record this week. This puts them at 13-45. They are no longer capable of finished anywhere but dead last! Poor VIW. Their final spot has been decided. Unfortunalty, we wont be seeing VIW in group B next season.




Summary Table



Horse Race Table
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/17/2017 20:12:54


ViralGoat 
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alright, at least we're not last! Woo!
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/18/2017 05:45:18

[V.I.W] recruiting time! Join us !
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At beginning of the season nobody , even of my clanmates, would believe I d contribute to more than 20% of our total wins. Wow !!!
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/21/2017 10:20:54

Ollie 
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BUG/ERROR report

The bot made a weird mistake. By coincidence we found out the same game has been created (and played) twice. It happend on strat ME vs BIA.

First game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=13456166
Second game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=13455835

Both games created on the same day but 3 hours apart from each other. Seems the bot somehow didn't record the game had already been created and created it again. The game first created has been won by GG, the first one finished has been won by BIA. According to the spreadsheet the first finished game has been counted since we have received a loss.

Its difficult to argue if the first game created or the first game finished should be counted since both players played both games in all seriousness. Despite the no replacement game policy we think a 3th game is the only fair way to determine who should receive the win here.
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/21/2017 11:45:25


Kezzo
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why the fuck did the players join and play 2 games?? obviously the loss should count for both due to the stupidity!

if not the loss can count to both ofcourse the first created game should count. first finnished game is irrelevant cuz its easy to hold up a game. the seccond game shouldnt been created and therefore it should not be put to consideration!

Thats my opinion!
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/21/2017 12:54:30

hobo
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I think the only fair thing to do here is to take 50 points off each team in order to set an example to others in the cl to report such things when they happen.
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 5/21/2017 13:06:23


Mike |GG| 
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Kezzo and hobo - are U guys serious or just trolling ?
We will play 3rd game coz that is fair thing to do.
Misstakes/bugs can happen. That is normal.
Case close.
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