Vote seems like a bit of a waste of time. I think the majority of people disagree with the panels decision but nobody or very few wish for a new panel. Most if not all appreciate you guys did what you thought was best.

Think it would be more worthwhile to vote on whether outlaws or 101st get the spot than on replacing the panel.

Running this league is a lot of thankless work. We get a lot of grief without any payoff. If we are constantly being overruled by the community then we don't think it's worth it. If you'd rather have a panel that will have the community vote on all controversial topics, you should probably look for a new panel.

Beren, I do understand the situation, but if we are objective, the legal situation is pretty clear:

The participation right in a clan league is owned by the clans. In first turn, there is not a single reason to violate this principle.

I do understand, that the panel did take a decision and it is somehow hard to find a solution that satisfies everyone and it also difficult to change judgement. We can talk and find a solution, but the current legislation does violate so much principles of a clan league. And a first sign one wants to talk is to invite the two parties of this case (representatives of 101st and representatives of Outlaws).

This is such a basic thing not only the council can decide. It is not easy to make such decisions and I think noone really wants to be the judge in such a situation. I know it is not an easy job, but the current solution is simply bullshit.

Yeah, we may vote for the current council, but even with this the whole event and the authority of the council gets hurt, as this does not solve the problem. This will cause much more problems longterm than this case.

You know a lot about how a clan league should work and be runned.

Can you name me one major team league (soccer, football etc.) where the players own the participation right of the team and not the team founder?

I do not know any. There is no special rule for this, as it is that basic. I know it is difficult and all in all you do a great job, as you can see by the popularity of this event.

But in this specific case your decision does not convince me and many others, as it violates this simple principle.

Edited 10/17/2016 12:15:36

I'm in full agreement with Hades. I like the idea of having clan leaders (not registered clan leaders at start of a clan league) being involved with not just the council making important decisions like "People make up the clan. Not the other way around."

@psykkoman : Yes, we noticed. And it's not the only thing that caught our attention either...

Edited 10/17/2016 12:18:28

what was it that also caught your attention?

Are we really continue talking about a "conspiracy" because we stated that on our Clan site? :D

It should be well known that u have to prepare for every possible outcome before it is to late. If u want to have longterm success u need to start in the present.

I'm actually surprised that we talk about this after the comment of JSA. I thought the matter had resolved itself.

A lot of crap has been chucked around in this thread over the last couple of days from people on both sides of the argument, and i think anyone resulting to making personal insults to the CL committee (or anyone else for that matter) should be ashamed. At the end of the day this is just a game and your trying to resolve a difficult issue which doesn't have a perfect outcome which suits everyone.

In terms of motd suggestion:

'So I would like to ask every registered leader in CL8 to vote on the following:
- We would like the current panel to stay. They are doing the job to the best of their ability.
- We would like the current panel to give up control. There are others who are more capable of running this competition.'

I believe the current panel is doing the best job they can do and would like them to continue doing so, but the only change I would make is maybe divesting some of their powers to the wider CL community. For instance, in most major sports when there has been a suggestion for a key change in say the league structure or what to do when a club goes bust, all other clubs get to vote on what they think should happen, I don't see many negatives to using this in CL especially when there is no current rule which can be used to resolve the issue.

I'm not going to get into the argument of who should have the A spot but I don't see any reason why 101st should not be in B next season and just have 3 relegation spots for 1 season. There isn't really an argument against it (please do post if there is) as the players who moved to outlaws were not the ones to get them as far as B.

Edited 10/17/2016 13:03:51

I am very disappointed that our nice and quite CL Division B thread is being abused. Take this discussion elsewhere, pls.

So I would like to ask every registered leader in CL8 to vote on the following:
- We would like the current panel to stay. They are doing the job to the best of their ability.
- We would like the current panel to give up control. There are others who are more capable of running this competition.

the issue of voting should not be this, but rather, to whom do you think the spot in Division A returns.
there you take the people hostage emotional!
we do not want you to stop! there's just no agreement with the decision
if there are so many people disagree, it is good to hold a vote! but the question is not the good one.

le Marseillais you are off topic, go somewhere else, pls.

Edited 10/17/2016 13:42:02

Yeah. Can the panel comment on allowing 101st to compete in B? and including an extra relegation spot? I think that's a fair compromise.

It's been suggested a few times and nobody has come up with a reason against it. Outlaw players got 101st into A, but 101st had earned a B slot fair and square from 6 seasons without the help of any outlaws.

To all the people that claims that the decision was wrong (you have the right to think so) and that it should be voted for the community (or clan leaders or something):
What was the point on having a committe then? The whole point was to have someone to decide if problems appear. If you don't agree with it why didn't you suggested the clan leaguers voting (or whatever) as an alternative solution AT THE BEGGINING? You only protest when you don't like the veredict? Very logical.

And I'm not saying that all people needs to agree with the decision but, at least, you should respect it. That is the point of having a committe.

So if they kick Icelandic Turtles out of CL just becouse they can or decide for no reason that 4 clans now will relegate from A, I have to say: Ok, i dont like that but i respect it. It s cool guys!

I dont think so. I ll tell you what I think anyway. 3 relegation spots is unfair for other clans in that division. And Outlaws not starting not from the bottom is also unfair for thouse clans who had to start from there.

Edited 10/17/2016 15:33:56

@Sultan
It's not the same "a problem happened --> we search for a solution" than "we do whatever we want whenever we want because".
And when a problem of this kind happens, ALL solutions are unfair to some degree, so that's not a valid point. You can't say "don't so X because it's unfair" when "doing Y or Z" it's also unfair. There is no happy for all solution, regretably.

Please use this thread now: https://www.warlight.net/Forum/205389-cl-101outlaw-committe-discussion

Clan League guys what the heck? Why did you stick NinjaNic in our spot ACME in the vote game? He's never been our registered clanleague person. Me and JT lead ACME and I believe CJ was the one in charge of clanleague roster. not questioning anybody's integrity or anything but someone's making some bizarre decisions for you all. is this trying to stack the jury's to a favorable result or are you guys just legit making it all up as you go along?

Dr. Stupid please take this discussion to the other thread. If you seriously want someone else from ACME in that game I suggest a PM to the organizers instead of public outcry.

At the end of the day, no matter how much off-topic things everybody throw on this thread, Sultan is right and there are two main problems here, that nobody answered to :

- Why wouldn't Outlaws start from the bottom like the other clans who came to the CL?

- Why would 101st, a clan who was in divB before all of this happened, would go back to the bottom for no reason?

That's the two points that make this unfair, nothing else, nothing more. The rest is pointless/offtopic (the 'hijack' thing, the skill argument, etc...) and should'nt be brang here.